From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: describe-mode's treatment of minor-modes is annoying Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:32:41 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083791299 26309 80.91.224.253 (5 May 2004 21:08:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed May 05 23:08:11 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLTch-0003Jc-00 for ; Wed, 05 May 2004 23:08:11 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLTcg-0004Av-00 for ; Wed, 05 May 2004 23:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BLTao-0006GU-Nn for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 17:06:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BLTEz-0002g9-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 16:43:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BLTE5-0001w9-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 16:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BLTAf-0000Jc-Sf; Wed, 05 May 2004 16:39:14 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i45Kd77m031300; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:39:08 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.10]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i45KWgF7025963; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:34:18 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i45KWgXI031045; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:32:42 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i45KWgJt031033; Wed, 5 May 2004 14:32:42 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22815 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22815 Yes, I checked it in vanilla (GNU) Emacs 20.7 (emacs -q). The major mode is described first. For minor modes, see following pages. So users knew the minor mode info was there, and they saw the major mode info first. > If you've checked this, you're surely correct. But I remember that the > minor mode info was not very visible, and not easy to use. That was > the reason for the change. I too think the minor (and major!) mode info was not very visible - because everything was visible together, separated only by ^L. And not very easy to use, because users needed to know about C-]. Even a horizontal bar (a la
in HTML) would be a better separator visually than ^L. - Drew