From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:17:04 -0800 Message-ID: References: <003f01c50eb2$36ec71c0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107971326 6160 80.91.229.2 (9 Feb 2005 17:48:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 09 18:48:46 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyvx7-0005Lb-O0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CywBh-0004u6-4K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:03:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyw6L-0002ms-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:58:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyw6J-0002mJ-4v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:58:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyw5m-0002Hs-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:57:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CyvSe-000475-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:17:08 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j19HH746018697 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:17:07 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j19HH58Q018655 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:17:06 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j19HH401007512 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:17:04 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j19HH4O0007504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:17:04 -0700 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003f01c50eb2$36ec71c0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33149 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33149 > Set All (F => C) > Save All (F => C,S) > Get All > Standard (D => F) > Saved (S => F) > Current (C => F) > > This is clean and symmetric, and I agree with the plan to replace > Erase Customizations with Get All Standard Values. However, the > command Reset to Saved is a clean and useful command, and I think that > replacing it with Get All Saved Values would be a step backwards. > > How to get the best of both worlds? Perhaps like this: > > Set All (F => C) > Save All (F => C,S) > Get All > Standard (D => F,C) > Saved (S => F,C) > Current (C => F,C) I believe the logical structure Miles first suggested (essentially the first one above) with the enhancement above with a single "Get All"-button is the best. It gives the possibility to preview the values before setting them. I agree (obviously). I could live with the second set of buttons, except that they all _set_ the current value, so they should be called Set All *, which produces confusion with F => C. Set All (F => C) Save All (F => C,S) Reset to Saved (S => F,C) Get All Standard (D => F) Saved (S => F) Current (C => F) No; I think we should avoid Reset to Saved. First, because it uses the confusing term "Reset" (which means other things in many preference editors). Second, it is simply Get All Saved followed by Set All, which is just two clicks and is much clearer. I don't see the disadvantage of the first group above. Why is F => C,S helpful/needed?