From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104772544 10272 80.91.229.6 (3 Jan 2005 17:15:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 18:15:30 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ClVnl-0006MH-00 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:15:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVyv-00005Z-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:27:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVyZ-0008Q1-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:26:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVyX-0008OY-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClVyX-0008Ng-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:26:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1ClVlf-0007yN-VI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:13:20 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j03HDIrk029859; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:13:18 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j03HDGqf029842; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:13:17 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j03HDG7I026303; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:13:16 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j03HDFbG026293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:13:16 -0700 Original-To: , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31740 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31740 The "initial Lisp expression" is supposed to be the default as provided by the distribution. This is what you get when you start Emacs with `emacs -Q'. Access to the current value, as in `C-h v', is more useful, if we have to choose between the two. If we want to have the installed ("emacs -Q") value in addition to the current value, then: 1. It shouldn't be called "initial Lisp expression" if it is in fact the value obtained by evaluating the initial Lisp expression. It should be called something like "installed value". 2. More useful than just seeing the installed value would be an action to _reset_ the variable to the installed value. There's not much use in just _showing_ any value other than the current value; and that can in fact lead to confusion, since one expects that the value shown by "Show Value" is the current value of the variable (though perhaps in a different format).