From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Marshall, Simon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: emacs 21.2 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:43:42 -0000 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1016801127 9800 127.0.0.1 (22 Mar 2002 12:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16oOQB-0002Xx-00 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:45:27 +0100 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16oOWq-00062X-00 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:52:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16oOPy-0006ac-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:45:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mail17.messagelabs.com ([62.231.131.67]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16oOOa-0006Tv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:43:48 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked Original-Received: (qmail 23345 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 12:43:46 -0000 Original-Received: from gull.midas-kapiti.com (HELO pigeon.misys.com) (193.115.208.67) by server-11.tower-17.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 12:43:46 -0000 Original-Received: FROM gull.misys.com BY pigeon.misys.com ; Fri Mar 22 12:43:44 2002 0000 Original-Received: by gull.midas-kapiti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:43:45 -0000 Original-To: 'Eli Zaretskii' X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2127 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2127 > > Many of the problems I raised since the last pretest (AFAIK 21.1.90, > > almost 2 months ago), which (AFAIK) were fixed when reported, are not > > fixed in 21.2. > > As a matter of principle, the release branch only gets safe bugfixes, > so it's possible that some of the changes are not there if they were > deemed unsafe, or if the bugs were deemed not grave enough to risk a > change. It is also possible that we forgot to commit the changes to > the branch, so please tell what changes, specifically, do you have in > mind. I appreciate "safe" is a valid criteria, and "grave" is of course subjective. These I imediately noticed were not fixed in 21.2. - Emacs/LessTif scrolling - the menu-bar-update-hook problems The first means Emacs scrollbar scrolling is awful, for large buffers and at the end of any buffer larger than window height, bad enough to force me to use other means of scrolling. The second makes Emacs unusable when Imenu is enabled in many situations. Even the imenu.el changes didn't go into 21.2. I realise each bug is a difficult call. But to explain my perspective, if I had known that none of the above had been fixed in 21.2, I would not have (a) upgraded and (b) bothered using the pretest versions. I can see me following the same perspective for future pretests for 21.3. Simon. _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel