From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mac OS-compatible ports Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:22:38 -0800 Message-ID: References: <9E637EAB-A0C5-421B-9CCA-71C41442AF52@gmail.com> <87ipl7zaea.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjkbib14.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3baui4b.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxacqlg4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwg3pfy4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739c2dscy.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ehvkdgfr.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325445773 24658 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2012 19:22:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 01 20:22:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQzT-0005Xh-JA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:22:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46952 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQzS-0005rG-Su for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:22:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQzP-0005r0-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:22:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQzO-0000SX-SE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:22:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:36529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQzO-0000SS-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:22:38 -0500 Original-Received: by iacb35 with SMTP id b35so30831490iac.0 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:22:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=D3veE+mynbLWZjUavas2TiHieD3FukLfzbBN6imdBhA=; b=l8CaaS2PQB6Q/1ONgfcfvCYrPOOIi9b4WI+vyNz3IHx2gdHzG3JEXvggf8an3jSdCh Lhj5lIxwCEqP1YTgZ1C3oR2t06/bp3yqMkuffBBDfz6Lv8/KoT9NIGwSpJidEqygIG3I wEuUJWi+mGN8ryknArqDW81h2xUGbIER1zEH4= Original-Received: by 10.42.162.197 with SMTP id z5mr2320302icx.48.1325445758085; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:22:38 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [98.247.148.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5sm64603406igl.3.2012.01.01.11.22.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:22:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147133 Archived-At: On Dec 31, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Leo wrote: > On 2011-12-31 21:22 +0800, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> I agree with your statement, but we're not "pushing" the NS port only >> because it's for GNUstep. It's quite usable on Mac OS X. >=20 > I wonder how you reach that conclusion. If you don't use Emacs heavily > on a Mac, then you don't know if it is quite usable. My experience is > that it is not. I use it every day, and wrote upwards of 100k words of (jargon-heavy) = english text with it last year, using flyspell and org. I think it = might have crashed a few times during 2011, but I'm not certain. I = typically rebuild the tip of the repository every few days, sometimes = waiting as long as a couple weeks, so I don't run months-old instances = of emacs. > My impression is that Mac-Port is a piece of solid well-engineered = software.=20 That was also my impression of the mac port, except that it is also = out-of-date with respect to emacs, it is becoming more out of date over = time, and it contributes to the continued future of emacs only = tangentially (as changes are slowly migrated into the core emacs tree). As I said before, I am very glad that the mac port exists and provides = some users with a solid emacs implementation that doesn't lack features = that they need, but it does not meet those criteria for me. Even = ignoring GNUstep, all indications suggest that that situation will only = worsen over time (multi-tty, org, cedet, bidi, lexbind, xembed, etc). = Until someone comes up with an actual proposal to remedy these problems, = the cries like ``we should be using the Mac port instead of the NS = port'' seem very much like ``after you guys build us a new bike shed, = you need to make sure that you paint it the right color.'' *Chad=