From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Will Farrington Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving to bzr? 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(lawn-128-61-16-130.lawn.gatech.edu [128.61.16.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d24sm30010618and.44.2009.01.06.06.51.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:51:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090106143236.GA5612@muc.de> X-Mailer: iPod Mail (5G77) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107638 Archived-At: It is important to note that it's best to have an ecosystem where one's method of version control doesn't hinder development. Nevertheless, I agree with your sentiments: there are much more important issues pertinent to Emacs (rather than merely how the source code is stored) at the moment than to be drudging up old arguments. On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, everybody! > > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 07:30:50AM -0500, Richard M Stallman wrote: >>> Since this discussion still seems to be ongoing, do I take it to >>> mean >>> that there is some flexibility on this issue? > >> There is a little: if bzr is not working fast enough, we will ask the >> maintainers to improve it, and wait for them to do so before we adopt >> it. But we are not going to switch to some other version control >> system. > > Can we please all accept that this decision has been made? That we > are > going to switch to bazaar, NOT to subversion, NOT to git, NOT to darcs > and NOT to mercurial. Please? > > It doesn't really matter all that much, technically, which dVCS we > switch > to. Any of them would give us advantages over CVS, and CVS works > reasonably well for us. Emacs development is about C, Lisp, and > Texinfo, > not about managing code repositories. So let us just accept bazaar, > the > only questions remaining being "when?" and "how?", and restrict > mention > of other systems to things helpful for improving bazaar. > > No matter how good these other VCSs are (and they are good), even if > they > are better than bazaar (for whatever value of "better"), the > decision has > been made. There are too many Emacs developers to take this > decision as > a democratic committee, which is why we have Richard, Stefan and > Yidong > as leaders. Making decisions stick is hard work, and it can become > exhausting, to say nothing of mind numbingly tedious, if they are > continually brought into question. (Yes, I know I've been guilty of > this > too.) > > -- > Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). > >