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On Sep 5, 2009, at 3:47 AM, CHENG Gao wrote:
> Since Snow Leopard is out of cage, I am wondering if YAMAMOTO-san  
> intend
> to add mac port into Emacs trunk. I personally hope this can happen.
> With mac port added, the greatest befinet is Emacs can work on all
> MacOSX versions. And if I understand correctly, it's not possible for
> Cocoa port to achieve this easily.

What are the chances that improvements like the event loop from the  
Mac port are combined with the NextStep/Cocoa code?

> 1 Cocoa port uses 10.3 SDK to support MacOSX 10.3-10.5.

Everybody please note that there are probably very few people still  
left on 10.3.  It came out in 2003, with the last minor release made  
in early 2005.
Cheng Gao, perhaps you could provide a pointer to user statistics if  
you think 10.3 is a big deal.

If somebody needs to use the old OS X, they can certainly stick to an  
older (and still supported!) Emacs 22.  Developer resources are very  
scarce.  Supporting outdated platforms is not the best use of people's  
time.