From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:59:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <2282B3B4-D844-4E26-BB94-9F79EEA2E847@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312808413 25984 80.91.229.12 (8 Aug 2011 13:00:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= , Dimitri Fontaine , YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Alp Aker Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 08 15:00:04 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqPR5-0003T1-JR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:00:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41866 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqPR4-0005uN-To for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42935) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqPR2-0005u3-1x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqPR0-0000JA-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:34830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqPR0-0000Io-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so1783447qwa.0 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:59:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=khHGPm2/7wIjhlnQscOLtMSfjoX5u8L0jV462L8lbyQ=; b=b6tw744lxsB1i16goyEN+wzHxHn8BygWCGQS2YPPbrCnCU5nsbWBjfIA9PpOlrBKgr fPdkv5oVRtitPuEX699paDhN5pyHFEVQcTN4fC6LngE9UvadV4TMKNMWzRATv9z/nTM4 hMVkr9fNciWO8ce5iuKQfNTYXqfr5tYq5ctIo= Original-Received: by 10.224.199.2 with SMTP id eq2mr4420793qab.69.1312808396577; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from elin.local (pool-71-182-162-55.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [71.182.162.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r3sm3944120qct.15.2011.08.08.05.59.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143016 Archived-At: On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Alp Aker wrote: >=20 > The easy way to do fullscreen uses Cocoa methods that are only = available for > 10.6 or later (I'm assuming you're referring to the use of the = "setStyleMask" > method for NSWindow). It seems a little premature to give up on = support for > 10.4 and 10.5, not to mention giving up on GNUstep. =20 In the month of July, 15% of Aquamacs users were still on 10.5, and now = 10.7 has come out. However, if you only look at people who have recently (within the past = two years or) have upgraded their installation to one based on Emacs 23 = (from Emacs 22), this figure drops to 9%. Among the users of the latest = version of Aquamacs at the time, it's 7%. Given that Emacs has very limited resources in terms of OS X developers, = this suggests to me that supporting certain features only on newer OS = variants is warranted; dropping support completely for 10.5 is probably = a little early. =20 The GNUStep argument may be a stronger one from an ideological = standpoint. > So if a fullscreen mode > were to implemented in GNU Emacs, it it probably worth it for the time = being > to use a strategy like that "typester" patch that's been floating = around, as > that doesn't have any version dependencies. As I've said before, feel free to take the Aquamacs code (which is based = on typester's patch, combined with support for the standard frame = parameters) and turn it into an Emacs patch. Let me know if I can = answer any questions. (Y. Mitsuharu's 10.7 code sounds great, perhaps = it can be used or reimplemented for Cocoa.)=