From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 07:17:52 -0800 Message-ID: References: <50994EF8.5000109@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352301504 20184 80.91.229.3 (7 Nov 2012 15:18:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, Adrian.B.Robert@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: , "'Dmitry Gutov'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 07 16:18:33 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TW7Oi-0006lq-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:18:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51659 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TW7OZ-0002jA-66 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:18:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33349) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TW7OT-0002Xv-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TW7ON-0001Zu-Cy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:18:16 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:18794) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TW7OH-0001YL-JD; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:18:05 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qA7FI22M017709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:18:03 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qA7FI1Se011962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:18:02 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qA7FI1Y5014804; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:18:01 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.168) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:18:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac28glt4nEcCTPvYSCS8p2U+RtJWYAAeA46Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154714 Archived-At: > If PageDown is generally understood as the name for what C-v does, it > seems to me we could give that command the new alias `page-down' and > bind C-v to that. Users would find it clear by reference to what > PageDown does in other programs. The Emacs Manual use that > name to document the command, but the existing name could remain > valid. Bad idea. "page" in Emacs function and variable names has a meaning that revolves around the use of form-feed (^L) as a page delimiter. That makes it easy to use `apropos' or completion (e.g. with substring matching) to show you such names. Co-opting "page" for this very different meaning (scrolling one screenful or some other amount) creates false positives, weakening this feature. And it can otherwise confuse users.