From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tree-sitter maturity Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1ed88fca-788a-fe9f-b6c8-edb2f49751c9@mavit.org.uk> <67428b3d.c80a0220.2f3036.adbdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <86ldwdm7xg.fsf@gnu.org> <6765355b.c80a0220.1a6b24.3117SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <00554790-CACA-4233-8846-9E091CF1F7AA@gmail.com> <86msgl2red.fsf@gnu.org> <87o710sr7y.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <8734i9tmze.fsf@posteo.net> <86plldwb7w.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32106"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: rms@gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 27 14:48:26 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tRAhV-00088K-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:48:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRAgl-0006ss-Ui; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:47:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRAgj-0006sR-Nd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:47:38 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRAgi-0004ST-1G; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:47:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hVKDMLA1c0Z2Hy2qW9LCY3EEoxh2cWEPV1NtN2aSERA=; b=mvaWnxuH3uIWDxF/O93KYhC8Jp +kNgckXJd7DWnvAOqIY8um9jxtXjD4RDsLAKutRmfGfY5lNo90vkg2hMT0/c2mEPdwHJAawQjyqq8 s7yeLWMg2AbPiwJCuzB6lOOdusmGPRdvv2yYEluLJd5Nr8x0K1gMVgkGtc2B13Lc3Eofrc3Hg9rVq we6zxmeKoceHwiLNHea6k3zIoCGCnCLeMuC7FrOefjngrpDhtPv5Kfb4RwvLSvYKfsdSv/kNM6Xve yyuL3W1rrPbFX/Wl9NZBGNHkpyK2c9MGffGslWLhwmygUL0uG2qiayLhIPJD/SbzersiOxgD2lFx8 5a+uYcSg==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-9b5e-6299-1dd8-6818.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:9b5e:6299:1dd8:6818]:60528 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tRAgb-0003Pg-1Z; Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:47:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86plldwb7w.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327190 Archived-At: On December 27, 2024 7:40:19 AM EST, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: Xiyue Deng , emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg >> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 10:54:29 +0000 >>=20 >> Richard Stallman writes: >>=20 >> > If we add something like this to Emacs, there is an issue we need to >> > take care about: to make carefully sure that it does not install >> > any nonfree grammars=2E I don't know how those grammars are released= , >> > ir by whom, or how much they care about free software=2E We can't >> > take for granted that they do=2E >> > >> > Perhaps we could check automatically that the grammar found is proper= ly >> > licenses, and disregard any grammars that are not free=2E >> > >> > By contrast, if grammars are going to be packaged and released for >> > distros, and chosen for installation by users, then it is the user's >> > responsibility, not Emacs's responsibility, to reject the nonfree one= s >> > (and the GNU/Linux distro might insist on that)=2E >>=20 >> It might take a while for that to happen, which is why I still believe >> it would be better if tree-sitter major modes would populate >> `treesit-language-source-alist' on their own, and point to the specific >> checkouts that the major mode developer tested their implementation >> against=2E > >We could have done that, but there's no way we could keep the value of >treesit-language-source-alist up-to-date, because the grammar >libraries put out new versions much more frequently than Emacs >releases, especially if you consider libraries that have no official >versions at all (in which case we can only point to some revision in >their repository)=2E > >The question that bothers me is how useful is it to have >treesit-language-source-alist that is outdated? What do we expect the >users to do with such an outdated value? > Why not just vendor all the grammars with the Emacs modes that use them?