From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Watchpoints for emacs lisp. Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:00:47 -0700 Message-ID: References: <28512483.post@talk.nabble.com> <28523705.post@talk.nabble.com> <28567671.post@talk.nabble.com> <28574547.post@talk.nabble.com> <7FA18246-9874-4EC2-AAEB-55B693541C20@mit.edu> <28577522.post@talk.nabble.com> <28585093.post@talk.nabble.com> <28585789.post@talk.nabble.com> <28586371.post@talk.nabble.com> <28587094.post@talk.nabble.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274122879 10092 80.91.229.12 (17 May 2010 19:01:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: alin.s Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 17 21:01:18 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OE5Yx-0005ZS-Ec for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 May 2010 21:01:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58461 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OE5Yw-000757-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 May 2010 15:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47568 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OE5Yl-00073D-12 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 May 2010 15:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OE5Yb-00065h-M8 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 May 2010 15:01:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:43624) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OE5Yb-00065I-Ha for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 May 2010 15:00:53 -0400 Original-Received: by pwi7 with SMTP id 7so5440476pwi.0 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 12:00:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Dzw6thx+7Fa1IwEcS20N997yj8lLIo+IVPQBkqJFEMk=; b=Vqe1orA1Rwr2l3BF17es+CWpCaR9hM7JrYoodnKWJ6y2CEkNdsMzIede1Vsxvp3szh ku53xap354+LxX+LyeSqora0MM1KeYKK0Jmaet+PXi74fTrJ3Hwwh2kgqoEfVk233GNf jE9UOjHv2TcYatx+16HF69MtCeT8ojpGcI8Ro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=WIp3M64aWFXFcE/2uPykmTKT26pS9dyvI7NBY76SyJTuDCalzcoYzqFAQZe1eXxshq 37c/Guvze+mUSWNgrZMgGzj9z3PP0y+N5YWtFrB7TeUxtyjSurkZ7Ov+Z71i+iyTAMk2 1LdTCvt2kJnWfpCBX38eP/CMhM2kXzh4SJaxM= Original-Received: by 10.115.135.20 with SMTP id m20mr4795169wan.54.1274122851842; Mon, 17 May 2010 12:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-98-247-149-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.149.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm4265356pzk.4.2010.05.17.12.00.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 May 2010 12:00:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <28587094.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124868 Archived-At: On May 17, 2010, at 11:39 AM, alin.s wrote: > Git works. It is downloading. >=20 > It downloaded 65M, and shown 20%. >=20 > That means about 320 M. >=20 > I do not understand what happens. How emacs passed from 20M before to = 300 M > !? Either system stores a significant percentage of emacs' history on your = local computer, and allow you to access it in myriad ways. Once you = have that history, you'll only need to download the changes (more or = less; see the constant stream of troubles caused by the lack of the = `smart server' and painful design faults in bazaar). How much history? These are the last few lines of `bzr log': revno: 1 committer: Jim Blandy timestamp: Thu 1985-04-18 00:48:29 +0000 message: entered into RCS So, ~25 years, but let's assume some significant gaps. My working tree of emacs (from bazaar) right now is just over 300M. My = (separate) installed tree is just barely under 250M. My computer is a = few years old, so I could probably only comfortably have several dozen = of these before I started to care. Given that the lisp tree itself is = ~55M, I'm not sure how you had a 20M source tree, but the answer seems = to be ``the development sources of emacs are now distributed with = history included, rather than history stored on a remote server''. This = is sometimes an improvement (for some cases, a dramatic improvement), = but it's not without cost. =20 *Chad