From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 20:07:05 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <83zha8tluq.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9kwi6ta.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83wo5ccgg4.fsf@gnu.org> <87lflshxtq.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83mu68cbbb.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7wghxdz.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <87eerkgey1.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <112aecd7-8165-6cae-ef69-08d14d843841@yandex.ru> <5d158a63-7173-424c-9d9f-ce7856f1eae7@default> <4bb36686-34e7-4ac8-898c-74e254902349@default> <29f65907-affb-481e-82f3-62522a766f69@default> <878shqyia5.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="56661"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , =?utf-8?Q?Andreas_R=C3=B6hler?= , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , homeros.misasa@gmail.com, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp, Sergey Organov , Stefan Kangas , Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 13:07:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaH9C-000EcF-Ro for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:07:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40880 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaH9B-0007CF-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 07:07:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaH8e-0006mw-Ot for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 07:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:48967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaH8b-0000w7-CS; Sun, 17 May 2020 07:07:24 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.210.217 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl6361.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.210.217]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA139FF804; Sun, 17 May 2020 11:07:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <878shqyia5.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.199; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay9-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/17 07:07:17 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250579 Archived-At: > On May 17, 2020, at 19:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2020-05-17, at 11:07, Jean-Christophe Helary = wrote: >=20 >>> On May 17, 2020, at 16:11, Drew Adams wrote: >>>=20 >>>>> It may be less common to also have an input field there. >>>>=20 >>>> FWIW, the macos equivalent to the minibuffer is a "frame" that you = can >>>> move freely around the screen. >>>=20 >>> In Emacs too the minibuffer can be a frame >>> that you can move freely around the screen. >>=20 >> I mean in macos it *is*. By default. I would love to have a similar = feature by default in emacs. >=20 > FWIW, I would absolutely hate it as the default, since window managers > are in general worse at managing Emacs frames than Emacs is at = managing > its windows. >=20 > Though of course, if it were made the default, I wouldn't mind so = much, > because I'd instantly turn it off. Indeed. I'm just thinking of the device as a thing to be packaged in = emacs for easy triggering by newcomers, or something like this. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune