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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258301 Archived-At: > On Oct 22, 2020, at 2:45 AM, Mingde (Matthew) Zeng = wrote: >=20 >=20 > This email brings me to look at the etc/HELLO file for the first time. >=20 > As a Chinese myself, I must point out that there is virtually _no_ = Chinese who would say "=E6=97=A9=E6=99=A8, =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD" when they = greet someone, regardless of whether they speak Mandarin or Cantonese. = Although it is technically correct, it is _super_ weird for someone to = say it this way. =E6=97=A9=E6=99=A8 is a common greeting for Cantonese, and =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5= =BD for Mandarin. I don=E2=80=99t see much problem in it. >=20 > Basically the meaningful difference between Mandarin and Cantonese on = paper is that the former uses simplified Chinese and the latter uses = traditional Chinese. Fortuntaely, when it comes to greet someone, both = mandarin and cantonese use "=E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD", which is the same in = both simplified and traditional. =E6=97=A9=E6=99=A8 is common for Cantonese speakers, AFAIK. Yuan=