From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Lemon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: remove s/sco[45].h etc. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:47:46 -0600 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069373961 6934 80.91.224.253 (21 Nov 2003 00:19:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 21 01:19:18 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMz14-0003Z5-00 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:19:18 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMz14-0003vV-00 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:19:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMztx-0005b5-0P for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:16:01 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMzXa-0008Sz-Ew for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:52:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMzUA-0006Wc-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:49:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [204.152.186.142] (helo=toccata.fugue.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMzU7-0006U2-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:49:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.2] (dsl093-187-232.chi2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.187.232]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454951B200E; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:47:37 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17993 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17993 On Nov 20, 2003, at 5:26 PM, Kim F. Storm wrote: > I suggest that we remove the corresponding support files, that is > s/sco4.h and s/sco5.h, as well as other s/*.h files for other > sysV / usg derivates created or owned by SCO. I'm highly sympathetic, but don't think this is actually a good idea. There's a distinction between users and providers. SCO users right now are in a bad situation - it's likely that SCO is going to go under and leave them high and dry. They didn't start this lawsuit, and frankly I suspect a lot of them wish it had never happened, but their businesses depend on software they bought from SCO before the lawsuit started. This would just make things worse for them, without materially affecting SCO itself. The whole point of the GPL is to promote software freedom, and it seems to me that this sends the wrong message to SCO users - "go away." We want them to come to us, not go away. There's a decent chance that if we don't strive to prevent it, a lot of them are going to switch to GNU/Linux in the near future. Given the present lawsuit against IBM, if SCO builds a copy of emacs either for their own use or for distribution, they are violating the copyright - they are not abiding by the terms of the GPL, so they have no right to make copies of GPL software. So in fact, the people who this change would target aren't even legally permitted to use the software to which the change is being made. So unless it would strengthen the FSF's legal position with respect to SCO to take these includes out, I think it would be a bad strategy.