From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carsten Dominik Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: org-mode, please change the name of function org-metaleft etc Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:29:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <47279F39.2010401@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1194161418 8936 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2007 07:30:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 04 08:30:20 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IoZw4-00046E-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:30:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoZvt-0000ou-O6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:30:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IoZvp-0000iY-7P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:30:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IoZvn-0000eR-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:30:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoZvn-0000eB-F2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:30:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IoZvm-0008Jp-Sy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:30:03 -0500 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IoZvm-0006fJ-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:30:02 -0500 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so866781ugf for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:to:x-mailer:from; bh=Mf+mUnp9Ag7E3ToEv49Kk7IFbP6xjsCRRcGPh1zDP44=; b=Ypk41GQiJmQYiFPg/mYdcsj6HhdeOLVjLM11N3ibI5vYsgDwkiSDYsrHXy93ZelZH3oPZFx8PVzUcYR7vaSkRKi4QFmZoHx7ZL0cmk11lUrmsQ5Rv4NMOzbZQ2DDUZVWfR/WoCkB9zmzq1EFxaQ3TNFBcFaFu3rhOSa0r15vVu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:to:x-mailer:from; b=VMVMDwdDHBU+ij+2HVAJ23IW0P9UAxN1DUUh/P7nSaH/Sd4BlNTNEofuHlXP2CwIgvOqPR3SYCmtOw6KTWu5Ev/gxiRIz+Fl6VqSd6ziWiUuuLz9cnfyvI0702++a/FLnfuRqAZ3v18l8Zp6/kd6arL1Z68EdP+7CsV2LCns5nk= Original-Received: by 10.67.20.11 with SMTP id x11mr4371739ugi.1194161400677; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.2.2? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:82487 Archived-At: On 31Oct2007, at 8:47 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > In org-mode the functions that are bound to some keys are named > after > the key binding, for example: > > org-metaleft > > M-left is a basic cursor motion key which runs backward-word. > It is not good for any major mode to rebind such keys, > unless the new binding is a sort of extension or adaptation > of the standard binding. It is hard to see how backward-word > could require any adaptation to a given major mode. > > What's up here? The are context-sensitive commands in Org-mode. In normal text, they fall back to the default functionality of these keys, in this case backward-word. In special contexts they do other things. These commands are essential to the functionality of Org-mode. While I fully agree that a name telling what the command does would be very useful, I cannot think of a good way to create one here. Since there are several contexts where the command behaves specially, a long name would be needed to capture all of it. Moreover, if I think of a new context where the command should behave specially, I would have to change the name of the command to reflect this. - Carsten