From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Hebrew xlation of Emacs tutorial Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:28:18 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170448166 10426 80.91.229.12 (2 Feb 2007 20:29:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:29:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 21:29:19 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HD526-00047K-14 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:29:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HD525-0002A3-Jo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:29:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HD51t-00029o-RD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:29:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HD51s-00029S-2S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:29:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HD51r-00029P-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HD51r-000637-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l12KT0j0030791 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:29:00 -0700 Original-Received: from rcsmt251.oracle.com (rcsmt251.oracle.com [148.87.90.196]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l12KT0Wu007036 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:29:00 -0700 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-67-34.vpn.oracle.com by rcsmt250.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2418349021170448099; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:28:19 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65796 Archived-At: > > > I think we should encourage people to write tutorials > > > for any language, whether it's well supported by Emacs or not. > > > > I agree strongly. > > Do you read Hebrew? If not, try to imagine your beloved language > hopelessly messed up by Emacs, and you will begin to understand why I > don't want to see such abomination in the Emacs distribution. Who said anything about it being in the Emacs distribution? > No way I will agree to something like that. You also said: > If someone wants to contribute just the text, we could perhaps > keep it in admin somewhere That's what I had in mind: let people think now about translating, but don't integrate any translations into Emacs until the display can support them. I thought that was also what Stefan had in mind, but I don't know. However, I also added a caveat that we should let potential translators know that their effort might be partly wasted if the tutorial is revisited after the release. Stefan spoke not of translating, in fact, but of "writing tutorials", which I also agree with. That is, I think it would be good for people to think now about possible improvements to the Emacs tutorial. Recently, people here looked at another tutorial (with screenshots etc.), which some found useful. I say, let's get input from all quarters on how the Emacs tutorial might be improved. Input should be welcome, both translation and new tutorial ideas. You may not "agree to something like that", but that's what I meant and what I still mean.