From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Mention mouse-face changes mouse pointer shape Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:42:19 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172166200 2342 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2007 17:43:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) To: "Emacs Devel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 22 18:43:13 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HKHyL-00012x-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:43:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKHyK-0006Qc-Nh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:43:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HKHy8-0006QN-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:43:00 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HKHy5-0006QB-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:42:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKHy5-0006Q8-Pd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:42:57 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HKHy5-0007Sq-Ar for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:42:57 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l1MHgsWS021737 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:42:55 -0700 Original-Received: from rcsmt251.oracle.com (rcsmt251.oracle.com [148.87.90.196]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l1MH7QsZ014888 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:42:51 -0700 Original-Received: from dhcp-4op11-4op12-west-130-35-178-179.us.oracle.com by rcsmt250.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2470664371172166145; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:42:25 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:66636 Archived-At: > >> The 'mouse-face text property changes the mouse pointer shape to a > >> hand, at least on w32. Should not this be mentioned, for example in > >> > > I think the change was a mistake, instead we should have arranged the > > relevant areas to have both mouse-face and pointer text > > properties. But I don't know how much effort it will be now to go back > > and change this. > > Maybe it was a mistake, but in most cases, I think a hand cursor is > the right pointer shape for mouse-face. If necessary, a pointer > property can still be used to select another cursor shape. IOW, you think the mouse-face and finger pointer should be coupled, by default. And code that wants a different behavior would then override this default behavior. That's a design change that wasn't really discussed, AFAIK. I prefer the two to be uncoupled by default. Why don't we discuss this after the release, and revert this change now?