From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: cua-mode and the tutorial Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1156604878 4713 80.91.229.2 (26 Aug 2006 15:07:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 26 17:07:57 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzlG-0003iF-F5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:07:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzlF-0001eG-KP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:07:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzl1-0001cU-Ae for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:07:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzkz-0001bt-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:07:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzkz-0001bq-5O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.228] (helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GGztV-0005R3-N0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (rgmgw3.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.112]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k7QF7V4e014411 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:07:31 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-73-33.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.73.33]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with SMTP id k7QF7Umd005550 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:07:31 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58920 Archived-At: > In one case, it is set system wide in site-load.el. > No one should do that! People are not supposed to start off > new users with nonstandard Emacs settings. > I think I will put something into startup.el to make this > cease to take effect. I think trying to prevent people from shooting in their foot is the wrong way to go, since it'll also prevent them from doing other things. I'd rather we put some kind of loud warning on the splash page if we detect something like viper or cua enabled before .emacs gets loaded. Just a loud warning? Take over their keyboard and mouse, fill their Inbox with spam mail, and send mea-culpa mail from their account to everyone in their address list. Teach the &*^$!!#'s a lesson. ;-) Kidding aside, I agree with Stefan and David here: in this case, at least, educate, don't try to prevent or punish.