From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Info tutorial is out of date
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:01:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMEEMKCJAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ud5c4jbyn.fsf@gnu.org>
> To me, structural navigation is not the goal; it is a means
> to achieve the
> goal, which is getting info from a manual (whether quick look-up or
> front-to-back reading).
Reading a manual in order is one paradigm of learning a package. So
we cannot dispose of the structural navigation keys.
No. The proper conclusion is that we cannot dispose of *structural
navigation*. This does not necessarily have anything to do with *keys*.
Anyway, no one proposed to dispose of either structural navigation or
structural-navigation keys. The proposal was to *postpone* (not dispose of)
*teaching* about structural-navigation *keys*. Each of those 3 qualifiers is
important.
And then, only the keys that have obvious, visible alternatives would be
taught later. I specifically argued for teaching SPC and DEL up front. You
can read an entire manual, in order, from front to back, using just SPC.
I didn't paint things in black & white terms, and it's not honest to
characterize my proposal that way.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-17 23:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-15 14:44 Info tutorial is out of date Drew Adams
2006-07-15 15:04 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-15 17:07 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:06 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 23:10 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-21 1:11 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-15 17:46 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-15 23:41 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 8:29 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-16 18:51 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-15 22:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-15 22:56 ` martin rudalics
2006-07-15 23:41 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-15 23:41 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 0:26 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 6:23 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 17:49 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-16 18:42 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 19:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-16 20:13 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 20:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 19:35 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 22:16 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-17 3:54 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-17 5:07 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-17 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 3:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 22:19 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 22:19 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19 3:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 13:37 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 4:40 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-18 5:03 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 15:00 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 4:20 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-18 2:03 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-18 14:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-19 3:18 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-17 16:06 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 17:03 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 17:11 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:01 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 13:21 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 22:41 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <87k66devap.fsf_-_@hans.local.net>
2006-07-16 20:28 ` Info tutorial is out of date; mouse usage David Kastrup
2006-07-16 21:13 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 9:08 ` Info tutorial is out of date Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 18:44 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-16 22:28 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-16 23:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-16 22:57 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 1:07 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 9:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 12:49 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-17 8:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-18 2:29 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-18 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 7:03 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 15:00 ` "shortcut" Richard Stallman
2006-07-19 3:35 ` Info tutorial is out of date Miles Bader
2006-07-17 1:40 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 2:16 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 9:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 12:25 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-07-17 14:37 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 14:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2006-07-18 9:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-18 15:28 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 16:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 17:39 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:06 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 17:34 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19 2:23 ` Brad Collins
2006-07-19 9:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-19 14:38 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 12:48 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-18 0:12 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 13:39 ` David Hansen
2006-07-16 2:16 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2006-07-16 17:30 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
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