From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs geometry Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:00:09 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153922569 4674 80.91.229.2 (26 Jul 2006 14:02:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 26 16:02:48 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5jy2-0007lb-DS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:02:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5jy1-0002Lo-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:02:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G5jxr-0002Lb-3T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:02:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G5jxp-0002LF-Fn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:02:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5jxp-0002LC-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.113.118] (helo=rgminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5jzN-0008PH-7O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:03:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsmt250.oracle.com (rcsmt250.oracle.com [148.87.90.195]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id k6O2YK4n013412 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:02:14 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-72-158.vpn.oracle.com by rcsmt250.oracle.com with ESMTP id 1648858191153922416; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:00:16 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57659 Archived-At: You see, this is only the tip of the iceberg; there are other related issues that need to be discussed, decided, implemented, tested, rewritten according to users' bug/misfeatures reports, tested again, etc. For example: what do we do under "emacs -Q"? do we honor the previous recorded values or ignore them? how about "emacs -Q -D"? Etc., etc. Bravo, Eli! I couldn't agree more. This is why I think now is not the time to implement such a feature. That applies to this new feature in general: changing how Emacs frames are positioned on Windows. This is why we should back out the change that was made, and revert to the previous behavior, which everyone has used without complaint for decades. If we want to improve on that traditional behavior, making it somehow smart enough to deal with avoiding the task bar, yet still remain predictable, consistent, and under user control (without contortions such as tweaking the registry), then we can discuss how to do that *after the release*. This partial cure to a minor potential problem is much worse than the perceived disease itself, and it was never properly discussed. Now is not the time to change fundamental behavior like this. You already got two strong complaints within weeks of making the change. If you keep this change, you will see how many Windows users complain or exclaim "HUH?!".