From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:26:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org><87fwx78jwq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <83fwx7z7qn.fsf@gnu.org><83d3sbz7b8.fsf@gnu.org> <871v8rdzug.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284823580 19651 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2010 15:26:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Sebastian Rose'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 17:26:18 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OwzIu-0001kR-OO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:26:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57464 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OwzIu-00086O-5g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:26:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37124 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OwzIo-00084j-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OwzIm-0005Cr-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:59872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OwzIm-0005Cj-7h; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:26:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o8IFQ4m2001968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:26:06 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o8IFQ4KG023991; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:26:04 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 615698581284823537; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:25:37 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.112) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:25:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: ActXKWDUQUyeQw8cSU6OwVp+gI2/HwAG24eg In-Reply-To: <871v8rdzug.fsf@gmx.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130417 Archived-At: > This change has removed a reaonable distinction between deleting a > character (C-d) and deleting a region (C-w) which was a good thing. > > Yet another bad change. +1, including for "yet another". Emacs had the best selection/region behavior around, especially if a user chose to use delete-selection mode. For months now selection/region behavior has been in the process of stumbling "improvement", leading to lots of bug reports and a fair amount of grumbling. Personally, I'm just waiting for this work-in-progress to die down and the final customization settings to be made known that let users restore the previous, sane selection/region behavior. There are so many ways Emacs could _really_ be improved. Why is it so hard to learn "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?