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[107.11.205.129]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k128sm15448189iok.23.2016.12.09.15.32.05 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Dec 2016 15:32:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.223.193 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210214 Archived-At: > On Dec 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Monnier = wrote: >=20 > How 'bout December 32, then? If Dan Weinreb is correct, the proper birthdate of Emacs is November 10, = 1976. Courtesy of the Wayback Machine: = https://web.archive.org/web/20120909104608/http://danweinreb.org/blog/rebu= ttal-to-stallmans-story-about-the-formation-of-symbolics-and-lmi#comment-6= 5 On November 10: RMS@MIT-AI 11/10/76 21:46:03 To: EAK at MIT-AI, CBF at MIT-AI, GLS at MIT-AI, ED at MIT-AI To: DLW at MIT-AI, MOON at MIT-AI Unless anyone can think of a better idea, I think we should rename ? to E. DLW@MIT-AI 11/10/76 21:49:07 To: MOON ay MIT-AI, DLW at MIT-AI, ED at MIT-AI, GLS at MIT-AI To: CBF at MIT-AI, EAK at MIT-AI, RMS at MIT-AI Another idea is to call it formally =E2=80=9CQMARK=E2=80=9D with a link existing for =E2=80=9CQM=E2=80=9D . Comment: Note that MOON is among the interested parties. Most of these addressees were implementors of macro packages that were predecessors of ?MACS and had user constituencies. GLS@MIT-AI 11/11/76 14:43:03 To: MOON ay MIT-AI, DLW at MIT-AI, ED at MIT-AI, GLS at MIT-AI To: CBF at MIT-AI, EAK at MIT-AI, RMS at MIT-AI Well, for hack value TS ? ought to exist (yes, you CAN get DDT to load it under that name!), but E is a good abbreviation. Comment: Finally, I capitulate on the name (thank goodness). Later that day: GLS@MIT-AI 11/11/76 16:39:50 To: CBF at MIT-AI, EAK at MIT-AI, ED at MIT-AI, MOON ay MIT-AI To: DLW at MIT-AI, RMS at MIT-AI CC: GLS at MIT-AI My current tentative suggestions for ? command placement are in TGQ;?CHARS > on AI. (They aren=E2=80=99t even completely what I want, now that I have talked with RMS, but at least some desirable features are listed even if they aren=E2=80=99t where we want them to be.) Comment: The key bindings are still in flux, and I=E2=80=99m still involved in determining those key bindings. MOON@MIT-AI 11/11/76 21:28:51 To: INFO-E at MIT-AI You are now on the INFO-E @ AI mailing list. (Used to be called INFO-?). Comment: Moon creates the INFO-E mailing list. Looks like the name change has been agreed upon.