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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303679 Archived-At: Why not write: "This is useful on certain versions of KDE, where [description of the bug]= " in NEWS instead? It would be much less misleading=2E On February 22, 2023 3:48:29 AM GMT+08:00, "=C3=93scar Fuentes" wrote: >Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> They didn't need to do anything, because icon-frame-title was >>> ineffective and Emacs used frame-title-format when minimized too=2E >> >> They don't need to do anything now, either, because the default value >> of icon-frame-title is a string whose text is identical to that of >> frame-title-format=2E > >If the user's config sets frame-title-format, after upgrading to 29 the >title will be something else when the frame is minimized=2E > >>> > If the desktop doesn't behave like KDE, users could simply set both >>> > formats to two identical strings=2E The only reason to force Emacs = to >>> > use the _same_ string (which can only be done internally) is that >>> > those desktops misbehave=2E >>>=20 >>> The reason to force Emacs to use the same string is to behave as most >>> users expect, and to avoid hard-to-detect breakage on desktop automati= on >>> setups that depend on the title of the window=2E >>>=20 >>> That was explained in #61496=2E No need to rehash the discussion here= =2E >>>=20 >>> > So I don't see why we should remove the explanation=2E >>> > >>> >> OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective >>> >> in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as >>> >> when he moves to another virtual desktop=2E >>> > >>> > Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here=2E >>>=20 >>> Again, it was explained in #61496=2E >> >> Look, you started this discussion=2E Now it sounds like you don't want >> to continue it=2E Neither do I, as a matter of fact=2E I see no need = to >> change anything in the documentation of these features=2E > >I was just trying to point some totally unnecesary and potentially >misleading text in the documentation: > >> +This is useful with some window managers and desktop environments >> +which treat changes in frame's title as requests to raise the frame >> +and/or give it input focus=2E > >I discovered that bug on KDE, I analyzed it, I reported it [1]=2E It is a >bug specific of KDE and Emacs has nothing to do with it=2E There is >nothing on the change to icon-frame-title that makes it a workaround for >that bug=2E I don't understand why we have to discuss this, even less go >back to a tangentially related topic that was already discussed and >closed (#61496)=2E > >1=2E https://bugs=2Ekde=2Eorg/show_bug=2Ecgi?id=3D465530 > >