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[124.154.41.208]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ja4sm13078128pbb.19.2015.10.11.07.18.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <561A6CA3.8090703@cumego.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191234 Archived-At: > On Oct 11, 2015, at 23:05, Przemys=C5=82aw Wojnowski = wrote: >=20 > W dniu 11.10.2015 o 15:41, Jean-Christophe Helary pisze: > [...] >> It was not intended as a joke :) But if we start by defining what we = mean by "productivity" in the context of code writing, then it's easier = to see what can be on the feature list and what does not need to be. > Note one thing: I have written "to help programmers do their work = productively". > It doesn't have to be "writing code". It can be analyzing code, = learning it, refactoring, deleting code, running app/tests/debugging, = etc. That's what I'd put under "correctness". > Actually in many legacy systems writing code is minor activity. In which case your focus is on "correctness". > In different projects productivity may be defined differently, but, = where money counts, usually it's defined as "deliver software on time". = Nobody care how many lines is that - the less, the better. If its = oneliner and does the job then do it. :-) Volume itself is a function of the expressiveness of the language. But = even in a very expressive language, writing the most and most correct = code in the smallest amount of time can be used as a definition for = productivity and to identify basic features that you'd want to achieve = that. But the definition of productivity itself does not matter as long as you = have one that allows you to specify what features are required and what = features are not. Jean-Christophe