From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:31:32 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037302676 27417 80.91.224.249 (14 Nov 2002 19:37:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18CPoI-000785-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:37:54 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18CQ0p-0006Mk-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:50:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CPp5-0000wt-00; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:38:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CNqn-0007HE-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:32:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CNqk-0007FV-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CNqh-0007EB-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:32:17 -0500 Original-Received: from pc35.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.44]) by stubby.bodenonline.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gAEHS0ii012056 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:28:01 +0100 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9418 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9418 onsdagen den 13 november 2002 kl 18.09 skrev David Masterson: >>>>>> Karl Eichwalder writes: > >> Richard Stallman writes: > >>> Could you explain what is disturbing about it? Then I can think >>> about the issue. > >> Tooltips are poping up and hiding other info. As somebody else >> explained, for menu entries tooltips are not that important, because >> menu texts are better to understand than tool bar icons. > > If tooltips are active, they tend to pop up on their own. This can be > disconcerting for menus, but perhaps that's because I'm slightly more > used to the MS-Windows approach. In that case, tooltips for menus > only popup if you use the "What's this?" command (Shift-F1). This > "What's this?" command can be applied to any widget on the screen (but > not every widget answers it). > > Perhaps you want to think about this approach for menu tooltips? This sounds good. As pointed out, C-h k is (almost) Emacs version of "What's this?". Could C-h k be bent to show a tooltip when invoked on a menu or toolbar item? How does MS Windows handle the menu when doing this? Do you first select "What's this?" and then the menu item? Or is it the menu item first and "What's this?" afterwards? If the first, is the menu still open when the tooltip is shown? Jan D.