From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 00:48:00 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <871rnnvmdx.fsf@red-bean.com> <87pnb7sira.fsf@red-bean.com> <83zha8tluq.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9kwi6ta.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83wo5ccgg4.fsf@gnu.org> <87lflshxtq.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83mu68cbbb.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7wghxdz.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <87eerkgey1.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <112aecd7-8165-6cae-ef69-08d14d843841@yandex.ru> <5d158a63-7173-424c-9d9f-ce7856f1eae7@default> <4bb36686-34e7-4ac8-898c-74e254902349@default> <29f65907-affb-481e-82f3-62522a766f69@default> <83sgfybn22.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="37791"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , =?utf-8?Q?Andreas_R=C3=B6hler?= , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , homeros.misasa@gmail.com, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp, Sergey Organov , Stefan Kangas , dgutov@yandex.ru, Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 17:49:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaLXC-0009ii-QM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:49:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50548 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaLXB-00064A-SG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 11:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50952) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaLWV-00059V-6V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 11:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:43457) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaLWT-0004qW-D7; Sun, 17 May 2020 11:48:18 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.210.217 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl6361.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.210.217]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A774C0004; Sun, 17 May 2020 15:48:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83sgfybn22.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/17 10:22:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250615 Archived-At: > On May 18, 2020, at 0:25, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary = >> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:07:54 +0900 >> Cc: Richard Stallman , >> Andreas R=C3=B6hler , >> Emacs developers , >> Karl Fogel , >> homeros.misasa@gmail.com, >> tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp, >> Sergey Organov , >> Stefan Kangas , >> Dmitry Gutov , >> Eli Zaretskii >>=20 >> I mean in macos it *is*. By default. I would love to have a similar = feature by default in emacs. >=20 > This happens on macOS because that's what users of that system > expect. ? No. macos users don't expect a floating kind of system "minibuffer". = That's actually unlike the rest of macos UI. But it happens to exist = (that's "Spotlight" in case you want to know and it is an *extremely* = limited "minibuffer", by emacs standards.) I was just mentioning that vs Drew's "in emacs the mini buffer *can* be = in a frame". Because *that* requires a lot of manually installing = packages that he refers to here: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OneOnOneEmacs Which seems to be very nice, by the way. > I don't think we should follow that on all the other platforms. Sure. But as far as the UI/UX is concerned, it's actually existing and = can be tested to see if a similar UI could work with emacs too. At = least, macos users would not be surprised, because there are lots of = applications that "extend" spotlight or want to replace it altogether, = like Butler, Quicksilver and the likes. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune