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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255392 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_13BB4177-111B-41DD-B56C-4ECD46DB29E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Sep 12, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:25:26 +0200 >> From: Ergus >> Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >> Looking deeper into this, either posframe and ivy are already in >> elpa. We only need to add ivy-posframe to elpa. There is also a >> which-key-posframe and even a company-posframe. So we have the whole = set >> of featured you want. >>=20 >> WDYT? Add all this to vanila :\? >=20 > We were talking about what to offer to newcomers as options, remember? It would be nice to add the option to install and enable ivy and company = in the guide, can we do this in principle (i.e., promote a elpa = package)? Not talking about whether we should, but whether we can. In the similar spirit, can we give the user the option to include Melba = into package-archives? Yuan= --Apple-Mail=_13BB4177-111B-41DD-B56C-4ECD46DB29E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Sep 12, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> = wrote:

Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:25:26 = +0200
From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org

Looking deeper into this, either posframe and = ivy are already in
elpa. We only need to add ivy-posframe = to elpa. There is also a
which-key-posframe and even a = company-posframe. So we have the whole set
of featured you = want.

WDYT? Add all this to vanila :\?

We were talking about what to offer to newcomers as options, = remember?

It= would be nice to add the option to install and enable ivy and company = in the guide, can we do this in principle (i.e., promote a elpa = package)? Not talking about whether we should, but whether we = can.

In the = similar spirit, can we give the user the option to include Melba into = package-archives?

Yuan
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