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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247714 Archived-At: 2020. 4. 25. =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 1:39, ndame =EC=9E=91= =EC=84=B1: =EF=BB=BF >> Maybe some improvements to the welcome screen. A better tutorial (which s= howcases advanced features, not just the "alien" part of Emacs) and/or some g= uides. >=20 > If the cursor keys work out of the box then the tutorial should > begin with features which can be used without learning new cursor keys, > demonstrating something which emacs does well or better than other > tools. Yeah, Emacs should not position it as an obscure editor that only gurus use.= =20 > Is there such a thing? Or does learning emacs mostly pay off > for the advanced user? I can't think of a feature right know where > emacs shines for the casual user. Org mode, magit, helm comes to my mind. Programmability should also be mentioned =E2=80=94 one should show a step-by= -step tutorial that adds a new interactive function invokable by a keybindin= g. > C-v and stuff are advanced topics IMO which pay off mostly in the long > run, not at the beginning, they could be shown in an advanced section > of the tutorial later. >=20 > And for keybindings there is no real need to switch to emacs, because, > for example, vscode can also have emacs keys: >=20 > https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=3Dtuttieee.emacs-mcx >=20 >=20 > So some feature should be found which can be shown for the casual user at t= he beginning > of the tutorial which may convince the user that emacs is worth the effort= . >=20 > IMO starting with C-v, etc. keys just puts off must users who casually tr= y emacs.