From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:03:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> <83sgbnecka.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----9CHASMH0UE94GDOXGYX4JL2F20U3Q6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16251"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: casouri@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ghe@sdf.org, tecosaur@gmail.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org,Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 11:04:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kH1SR-00047f-0N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:04:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH1SQ-00067a-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:04:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH1Rk-0005R3-Sq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:03:48 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic306-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.132.40]:41665) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH1Rg-0005fn-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:03:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1599901422; bh=yu6MZ8kt6e5LkI8wkZ2lapF7HV8h/1CQ9/4P4s62dKs=; h=Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:From:Subject; b=JgcLywwaDHY17XUNnMLlQGyOjTCxmkNnBcyqX21HNlsIxVF+4Rp6OuR3N6srd6iZM6qIxQF6UWEY9j4W1OijloNwRdD1gOQyf0vMLh2Qhn1IrFQd/dh8vq62ptNiHtFdHccjz2xEwgbAXnylkU73/XJJ3k2omxm6wLH23IGtvFiXTEh6K9hhpX/IlbJwGjfuEbF13+2Yuo1zf93UBGz3EH7FwN3V3s6u8xt6vGw4CIunl0Wmgl50DwZy76tHGZ1Ok8egPH+sF2HThn6L7ndbO8LRy34kcdB1yfmN/3FxNVNccRmuNV3DVpHOUOApbSM/QCmMh+iAKTtsgZxYwMVNdw== X-YMail-OSG: iZFxiJ8VM1lNnYFFKl_T3megPc8Y7XxPMjizn2X4joQUB6r3s6cJd.2AQlppPdz NfQokIDoKGEC38qwbHQFvgBOElaMRcnnqTQt236vdBmwt3iuzAqLJY5HthcsFRtK6pIIEDe8npEW wS7yw1SCRL73W.EkipV4Nt0cNzntXvO4GeEwJnQy0BIK9tM_I4e9scnmiP5WsWnubkXDH0vqsNxJ YgU34UhU8ARGEd_NnrFHu8ywThtYpF3ziYc3cl2JalFQnElcT8agnqOgfN4qNvQF0bIeBcekAiyo 0ZjFyDywm5Wb2Hmp6GSdqo5Prrhdi8PcikpQoInK4wqinY4OYhUHpNqkNTh4lvhz.z.UkE0eRrxa qZIFuuUuqIKiWNb8_kSTD5_pZcyznE5btLtWC03l9u_JLO.jD7SIi6LZ1_eQ7EZXV.1HbHWMDHRH HsFrVuu2iRFJR9T0SoYvdI4Va.Lfw3RQo6NA2rUVhiTXdLLXew26L7lrejeRzpn9ZRmDw4w9Zchh T3K.ohpeZYhGZrm6cIGDfd8s9BC.Y2JhriX51MYMR6UraCkimsHvYp3kco1tgUjXbkzYKly60vvc QJCnRnRtyI__1UcZgLor9Oy.AOQqRxOfSZaoD32P4V4OMmzLawoU7A5q5iBQp3ZcmkL8FexUgiRI sTiDMVq_4WL2jy4zuq4oyyunBtoGa13JCaqCmG8wujcEAlb.5i6dq6gzmE0Jokb9Qet_r9r25MKp i8v2S4LwwyAguqL4ScSroarTj_UIEnM94riiE1l9Ts0qx8KfabG1ajb25V4udKcix4NbDTK2fyt1 kClZl8apJ.vejYq3AUikxuuvw1NB9BhwkISMKOMWI0 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:03:42 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp406.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4569188a9838edfd44d08c1b62c772e5; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:03:38 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83sgbnecka.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16583 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=74.6.132.40; envelope-from=spacibba@aol.com; helo=sonic306-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/12 05:03:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255280 Archived-At: ------9CHASMH0UE94GDOXGYX4JL2F20U3Q6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On September 12, 2020 8:25:41 AM GMT+02:00, Eli Zaretskii = wrote: >> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 00:14:35 +0200 >> From: Ergus >> Cc: ghe@sdf=2Eorg, "Alfred M=2E Szmidt" , >tecosaur@gmail=2Ecom, >> casouri@gmail=2Ecom, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg >>=20 >> 4) Right click: (Probably it is the most lacking functionality and >> surprising for any user not using the terminal=2E) Right click is >expected >> to bring a panel with the most common operations=2E It is useful, fast >> and somehow standard since 1995 while removing most of the needs of >the >> toolbar which takes precious vertical space=2E > >We have this on C-mouse-2 and C-mouse-3=2E Putting those on mouse-2 and The menu we have in C-mouse-3 does not show the most basic options like co= py, paste, and so on to access them fast=2E We have there a set of maybe mo= re advanced options; but not the basics, so that menu is less useful in gen= eral and its use is very poor in our days=2E BTW, xterm intercepts C-mouse-= 3 but not mouse-3=2E Mouse-2 so far is used to paste or not used at all in the other editors=2E= =2E=2E So we shouldn't touch that >mouse-3 would fly in the face of pasting text from the window-system >selection, which is something a text editor cannot possibly disable by >default=2E Unless we are willing to abandon support for selections, >that is (which I guess what the "modern" editors did?)=2E > I think that modern editors removed that indeed and only use the clipboard= =2E I am not saying to go or not in that direction and rebind everything; b= ut at least add a more useful set of options to the panel could help=2E=20 >> 5) sidebar: most code editors have a button somewhere in the >interface >> to show/hide the sidebar to explore and open files/access symbols or >see >> open files=2E > >We have it in Options->Hide/Show=2E Yes but the idea behind is to make it very accessible to toggle it on dema= nd more frequently=2E Maybe we can add a bottom for that [>>] in the beginn= ing of the modeline to give a toggle effect? --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------9CHASMH0UE94GDOXGYX4JL2F20U3Q6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On September 12, 2020 8:25:41 AM GMT+02:00, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@= gnu=2Eorg> wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 00:14:35 +0200
&= gt;> From: Ergus <spacibba@aol=2Ecom>
>> Cc: ghe@sdf=2Eor= g, "Alfred M=2E Szmidt" <ams@gnu=2Eorg>,
>tecosaur@gmail=2Ecom,=
>> casouri@gmail=2Ecom, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg
>>
&g= t;> 4) Right click: (Probably it is the most lacking functionality and>> surprising for any user not using the terminal=2E) Right click i= s
>expected
>> to bring a panel with the most common operati= ons=2E It is useful, fast
>> and somehow standard since 1995 while= removing most of the needs of
>the
>> toolbar which takes p= recious vertical space=2E
>
>We have this on C-mouse-2 and C-mo= use-3=2E Putting those on mouse-2 and

The menu we have in C-mouse-3= does not show the most basic options like copy, paste, and so on to access= them fast=2E We have there a set of maybe more advanced options; but not t= he basics, so that menu is less useful in general and its use is very poor = in our days=2E BTW, xterm intercepts C-mouse-3 but not mouse-3=2E

Mo= use-2 so far is used to paste or not used at all in the other editors=2E=2E= =2E So we shouldn't touch that

>mouse-3 would fly in the face of = pasting text from the window-system
>selection, which is something a = text editor cannot possibly disable by
>default=2E Unless we are wil= ling to abandon support for selections,
>that is (which I guess what = the "modern" editors did?)=2E
>
I think that modern editors remove= d that indeed and only use the clipboard=2E I am not saying to go or not in= that direction and rebind everything; but at least add a more useful set o= f options to the panel could help=2E

>> 5) sidebar: most code= editors have a button somewhere in the
>interface
>> to sho= w/hide the sidebar to explore and open files/access symbols or
>see>> open files=2E
>
>We have it in Options->Hide/Show= =2E

Yes but the idea behind is to make it very accessible to toggle = it on demand more frequently=2E Maybe we can add a bottom for that [>>= ;] in the beginning of the modeline to give a toggle effect?

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