From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Embedding Emacs in other apps Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:59:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: <878w72nu23.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8739wz6eyq.fsf@gmail.com> <8739wty62x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <871vbmbqfl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aaq94jia.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--843343044 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278111587 651 80.91.229.12 (2 Jul 2010 22:59:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Emacs development discussions To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 03 00:59:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUpCu-0007sW-FK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 00:59:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52997 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUpCt-0006t3-Ns for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51949 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUpCo-0006ru-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:59:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUpCn-000871-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:59:34 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu ([18.9.25.13]:62362) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUpCn-00086x-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:59:33 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190d-b7c19ae0000009ea-c2-4c2e6f54054a Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (MAILHUB-AUTH-3.MIT.EDU [18.9.21.43]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id F3.13.02538.45F6E2C4; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id o62MxVd9018505; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-98-247-149-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.149.76]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id o62MxReJ009995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:59:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87aaq94jia.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126718 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-6--843343044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Chong Yidong wrote: > The "it" under discussion is a Firefox extension to replace text boxes > with embedded Emacs frames. Since Firefox has only been around since > 2003, I strongly suspect that XEmacs has not had "it" since "1998 at = the > latest". If you consider Firefox to be a continuation of Mozilla, Mosaic, and = Netscape,=20 then your suspicion wouldn't be entirely correct. That bit of ``but I was there!'' history-snark aside (and with my = apologies; some=20 habits die hard), it is very helpful to have a concrete goal given. I = can easily=20 imagine situations where emacs-inside-Firefox and webkit-inside-emacs = (ezbl=20 style) lead to divergent solutions. =46rom what I can see of the xembed = branch,=20 it's closer to the latter than the former. *Chad --Apple-Mail-6--843343044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
The "it" under discussion is = a Firefox extension to replace text boxes
with embedded Emacs frames. =  Since Firefox has only been around since
2003, I strongly = suspect that XEmacs has not had "it" since "1998 at the
latest".

If = you consider Firefox to be a continuation of Mozilla, Mosaic, and = Netscape, 
then your suspicion wouldn't be entirely = correct.

That bit of ``but I was there!'' = history-snark aside (and with my apologies; some 
habits = die hard), it is very helpful to have a concrete goal given.  I can = easily 
imagine situations where emacs-inside-Firefox and = webkit-inside-emacs (ezbl 
style) lead to divergent = solutions.  =46rom what I can see of the xembed = branch, 
it's closer to the latter than the = former.

*Chad

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