From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Global bar to display global information Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87hb5he3dy.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87d3g5e19j.fsf@wanadoo.es> <22B4DB0E3E1C427EAB8A52C8C3B833A1@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_66AD2D2A-BF95-4C04-9FAA-541FEB3BBFA9" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313524009 21687 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2011 19:46:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=E9my_Compostella?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 21:46:44 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtPb1-00089H-IT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:46:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46357 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtPb0-00007P-Py for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50084) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtPay-000079-5o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtPax-0007fu-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:40 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu ([18.9.25.12]:42040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtPaw-0007fm-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:39 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190c-b7bdeae000000a26-04-4e4ac8d45b0d Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 6E.84.02598.4D8CA4E4; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p7GJkcUL023289; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.30] (c-67-183-32-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.32.38]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p7GJkZ6X008311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprKKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrnvlhJefQftxUYvHC56wWlw884LV gclj56y77B5t08wCmKK4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Ml4c1yt4LlOx9Jx+A+NNiS5GDg4JAROJWytS uhg5gUwxiQv31rN1MXJxCAnsY5TYsmMeO4SzgVGiZ9p2qMxJJoktq0+zg7QIC5hKLN43mxlk Eq+AscTrf0wgYWaBBImGpS8YQcJsAjJAUzVATE4BM4l1nZkgFSwCqhKLz+9ngagWl/hxt48V xOYVsJI4dP481KblTBLvzq0CGyMi4CXRN1EP4k55icUtnxknMArMQtg7C8leCFtbYtnC18wQ toHE085XrJji+hJv3s1hWsDItopRNiW3Sjc3MTOnODVZtzg5MS8vtUjXUC83s0QvNaV0EyMo xDkleXYwvjmodIhRgINRiYf3V4+XnxBrYllxZe4hRkkOJiVR3tQjQCG+pPyUyozE4oz4otKc 1OJDjBIczEoivIxpQDnelMTKqtSifJiUNAeLkjjvwR0OfkIC6YklqdmpqQWpRTBZGQ4OJQne HGAsCwkWpaanVqRl5pQgpJk4OEGG8wANf34cZHhxQWJucWY6RP4Uoy7Hwca5xxiFWPLy81Kl xHmDQAYJgBRllObBzYGlpleM4kBvCfMmglTxANMa3KRXQEuYgJbc2uUBsqQkESEl1cAY2Mxs ZVvf/eLqxmLnX6efPDY/ePChwmKtTNcep5XZ2u/uC5x0/efcUtW2qHRPDC9vsEstM/8Tl8B7 x1dyZHHN6X6xvEn+nvjXkN8ThFNtT3C9X1otWlKxQMV0SWzhTZbtzL9nnk7vfsUT X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143328 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_66AD2D2A-BF95-4C04-9FAA-541FEB3BBFA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:23 PM, J=E9r=E9my Compostella wrote: >=20 > I'm currently using Emacs 23. And I really think it looks inconsistent > about some features. What does the display-time feature means ? > [=85] I just want to be able to see the date and time at > the same place every time I need. For the vast majority of users, emacs is not their operating system, and=20= such non-editing facilities don't need to be provided by their editor. = For=20 those who do use emacs as (a larger part of) their operating system,=20 they typically want very specific things, and know how to assemble those things from the (many) parts emacs provides. For example, Ted Zlanatov was pushing forward an effort in this area: = http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-05/msg00746.html For some(including you), the header-line provides an easy way to meet your goals, but others, like Drew Adams, live in a very multi-frame = world, and need different tools. There is interest in this area, especially if you're willing to work on = the leading edge. Perhaps you should try either header-line-format or Ted's `Emacs as a Desktop Environment' idea and report back your experience with either/both. Hope that helps, *Chad --Apple-Mail=_66AD2D2A-BF95-4C04-9FAA-541FEB3BBFA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

I'm currently = using Emacs 23. And I really think it looks inconsistent
about some = features. What does the display-time feature means = ?
[=85] I just = want to be able to see the date and time at
the same place every time = I need.

For the vast majority = of users, emacs is not their operating system, and 
such = non-editing facilities don't need to be provided by their editor. =  For 
those who do use emacs as (a larger part of) = their operating system, 
they typically want very = specific things, and know how to assemble those
things from = the (many) parts emacs provides.  For example, Ted = Zlanatov
was pushing forward an effort in this = area:


For some(including you), the header-line = provides an easy way to meet
your goals, but others, like Drew = Adams, live in a very multi-frame world,
and need different = tools.

There is interest in this area, = especially if you're willing to work on the
leading edge. =  Perhaps you should try either header-line-format or = Ted's
`Emacs as a Desktop Environment' idea and report back = your experience
with = either/both.

Hope that = helps,
*Chad

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