From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new filter-based customization interface Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:36:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4796"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Moakt Temporary Email <059393ccf4a8@drmail.in> Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 02 05:37:48 2025 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tTCxw-00018q-GG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2025 05:37:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tTCx9-0004y8-6H; Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:36:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tTCx6-0004xT-JD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:36:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tTCx6-0007te-2T; Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:36:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=OiaRYHA6VXMdUlHoYB4DZXUVazeIfCsD3nlWx50Xk3Q=; b=k34ukC8Mwlij LLIQt/bGy6tuAdgy3mK8uB/xS/ZERx7EZS6BAEYJmi4dIfHCGrcthfpJuntDQDIL4InEARIF3TVp7 R0tSTek75Zp7AhCUuiQcQU9lVQg/zCJlJzGX6TJlQbMj0AJny3+qWmlDoGSMWd3omGQ2t7i9bDqy0 xfjxXSVTdQZ61znSYTnoIZLEDo+cGYiYiGwM3Ga6X+DdvI2fyAVdNBpOavWbMZlzqJcyRzxW41PO/ RcjO9SsPsMwWmvMefbeApsiZNvsWTwsJYR8DcrbfiFtnb/H+iXHdcNa3oicj9qnRfBA1yB8P5hDvw ZppozzImceRaoJAWfmm/aQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tTCx3-0002KG-M1; Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:36:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Moakt Temporary Email on Tue, 31 Dec 2024 11:49:23 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327554 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > - make better choices: > many things can be done in emacs, in different ways, filtering on a > specific topic, can show user that he has alternatives to what he is > trying to accomplish. I am sure we could improve some specifics. But this goal is abstract and gives no concrete hint of an idea. > - discover-ability: > emacs has many options/features (even little ones), that are of big > help/change for users, in their daily use of emacs, and they often > discover them (very) late. That too is a good goal, but it gives no concrete hint of an idea. > - self-descriptive: The interface by itself, before even using it, > describes what emacs can do. (Yet emacs can do many other things that > should be added to the interface) Same here. > - navigation I find it difficult to navigate back and forth in the > actual interface. If you can put your finger on a specific case, and describe what is inconvenient, and send a bug report, people could think about the specific issue and maybe find a way to improve it. But these abstract points are not easy to think about in he abstract. It looks like you do have a concrete idea. I couldn't understand the way you presented it, because you didn't explain it, only showed it. The explanation hat is needed is about the _meanings_ of the details that you previously just showed. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)