From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new filter-based customization interface Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:48:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <0NIXA7Y2Px1UnKQELQ6RBx5sxmpLWcCpbzAnquDioY@localhost.localdomain> <87pllzxqg0.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18465"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel-proposal@drmail.in, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 12 05:49:03 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tLb8I-0004e3-Pq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 05:49:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLb7W-0002Yf-2A; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:48:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLb7T-0002YR-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:48:11 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLb7Q-0001z0-VG; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:48:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=TvQ/zUuo4GhW1JnSBoFJEmI466+ddnrlfXYzIatIs5o=; b=eIOQ+AMEfWul dLAGhgqOfuSbfIPBGRF4f1KnABLpHzneOxADpOIg4IB/jYYfCPUGcysLyE9tjtb13l4ehnTuERkS7 /J9/aZ2zz1e1Vu+EsYeEVWRdnfZPfK/bJ6ky1fJunFcWhdnSCdVgtmT9YuJsXEkaC+uX6hmQGk+e1 MRITB913gIKAfwK7ONZt23gejAxgB0UYiBkFnPr76EJ2HhkFS8XYYh46bj3AEtftzdn3U73L38uLD Y0c2Z16+bfeloN1nKm7OgpaxAceY5KDcdnKtDjXyDtTmqVDgPhc8lKABq/W1fRCTEZa7iQxlyjtNe wro1huesgRaN3fRZZq6/rw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLb7Q-0007Gf-BM; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:48:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87pllzxqg0.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:56:15 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326394 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I looked at the image you sent. I supposed it is supposed to be self-explanatory, but as often happens for graphical interfaces, I can't tell the meaning of what I see. In order for a graphica interface to be natural and self-evident, it should to be clear just by looking what each visual item means. Is it an alternative you can select? Is it a heading which describes the role of whatever follows? Is it a command you can click on to control the interface? These things are not clear to me. Here are some of the visuak aspects for which the meaning is not clear to me. * There is a bunch of lines at the top which start with Filter by 1. categoryL interfaceL modeline tookbar,.. general: startup quit backup... What do tese names mean? Are they related to custom group names? Some of them sare names of custom groups, but some are not. What does each of these names mean? * Is that an exhaustive list of all "categories"? * If so, are you supposed to click on one to select it? * Or are some categories someho selexted now, and this is a list of the ones that are selected right now? * How does the fact that a category is selected affect what happens in the rest of this display? The next thing it says is Sort by: package What does that mean? Is "package" one of several psople choices? If so, what are the other possible choices and how do you specify another choice? Then it says Selected Customizations: What does that expression "selected customizations" mean? What determines which customizations are selected? How do you control which ones are selected? And what do you achieve by controlling that? How does this relate to M-x customize...? It looks like the names of these things do NOT match names of user options. Each item and value seem to be followed by some sort of classification, but what do they mean? They do not seem to be custom groups. Where are they defined? For instance, two say :modeline:, What does that indicate? What does [X] mean? Does it mean "this is enabled"? If so, what indicates "this is not enabled"? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)