From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86bjxu44nz.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13776"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 05 06:08:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ46B-0003JR-Ty for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 06:08:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ45z-0006bC-2O; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:08:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ45y-0006az-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ45w-0008Al-UQ; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:08:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=FlshaSVH2nGqi3VaAD0sbyd7v9OgfViUu7ZJSeXJpH0=; b=frJiDpzj8G/V MKt0/bAChx7F6zqAL40RxSKfNe1kwLsvwFFJZnII8ckVoGvOKFAO7cxADGdlIwNHAmPRxEkIF0nYO 2Rk+QlPTrEx6ltbuJEnLppPLyvx9pBm/PgnqrtyFbJYzsH7d0MCs2cMG7CtkSChAkM3OZwYGANQrB SzegmcUlgEPplrFBRRGL751kz8DTY1H6aOhD5//r14l1li2GzfYoPN3QStAHSyzBG1bXoHzZxp/mJ G11QyvgVdYub7Q7jNr2P06OOVNO7VkBKV/jrVxRG2tSzG7qqlK0ZnO4UP/id3N7FvnEGq1bMIoNZo OtnrPc5AXjoCzINR3GKEIQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ45v-0000dU-Um; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:08:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86bjxu44nz.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 02 Dec 2024 15:04:32 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326059 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > That said, I would like to point out a few aspects that AFAIU are at > the real core of the issues which prompted this: > . a discussion could wander into a tangent, in which case TRT is to > ask people to make the tangent a separate discussion, instead of > moving it to emacs-devel If the new topic is a tangent to the bug discussion, where that should go depends on what it is about. It might be of little importance to Emacs, in which case maybe it ought to move to emacs-tangents. Or it be a suggestion for some bigger change in Emacs. That should go to emacs-devel, I think. > . we encourage people to submit "feature-request" bug reports (and > Emacs recently acquired the "M-x submit-emacs-patch" command for > that reason), in which case the bug list _is_ the proper place to > discuss that. When the feature is significant and/or affects > Emacs or our users in prominent ways, prudence would mandate that > we move such general discussions to emacs-devel, but that's a > judgment call, not an automatic knee-jerk reaction Jdgment calls are like this. There is no precise rule that gives a perect result every time. That is too much to ask for. What we can hope for is to recognize when a local change idea has wandered into an idea for a change that would affect a lot more situations. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)