From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:26:13 -0500 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86zflh9myy.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7115"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 08:26:42 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tINIv-0001it-MG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:26:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINIY-0001rS-V1; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:26:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINIU-0001p1-Uf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:26:14 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINIT-0000Io-Ts; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:26:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=JvTF2HgWO5Nihx/f1RPUhwl7zPmd2HGe/6XYH5PywSE=; b=Ti2e6gZ1MaIl qLX+GM8eYSNSHWlknXJZRQnukP16H24hsok7H67IM2h10WHF6Fft2RSzpbp61ed4YvDJVh0FbFx2J nnukIrD2aUjW70RCLaJaPngbOpJ+VPNHLV0LlsrhbwT/Oz4pQtVibBFzmRTaN8rBxH8dBeAKzX9/3 aYR3tYmWE2T2A2xxWYJppoMLvs0IlO3vOJLaze762/MnTMIG4wAN5AG2akxZIYlaqZWFF4I6SrRdf vYjMUo/ZFsOerfaZf7cC2x3XyOeheSgA3uY2B9JVpbZ8/hMRoFJo/h5ELjieTeF5XRHaP/nCCSke8 W49zMoSopTL6/NcZwNPsjg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINIT-0001c0-Dp; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:26:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86zflh9myy.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:53:25 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325969 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I suggested > > I have complained before that the practice of discussing a feature > > change on the bug list caused feature change ideas not to be > > recognized as such. People should help notify all of us > > that we are discussing a feature change. You replied, pointing out some details of how things tend to work currently: > When such discussions happen on the bug list, we generally try to add > to the discussion people who might be relevant or whose opinions we > want to hear. Adding specific pertinent people is a helpful think to do, I agree. In other cases, someone insists to move the discussion > to emacs-devel. I'm simply suggesting that we make a point of thinking of this in certain sitations. > Of course, mistakes can and do happen. But the understanding that > some issues need broader discussions does exist, and there's no > intentional avoidance of that for some covert reasons. None of us is perfect, and I don't think anyone had a ban intention in handling that bug report thread. By thinking consciously of the importance of bringing a feature discussion to emacs-devel, we'll learn to remember hat more often. > Please also keep in mind that a person interested in some subject > could be off-line for some reason, not reading any of the Emacs lists, > when the discussion happens. So even making sure all such discussions > happen on emacs-devel is not a guarantee that everyone who should be > involved will be. I know. It won't be guaranteed to happen. But with all of us aware that moving such discussions to emacs-devel, we will start noticing oppprtunities to do that. (I do agree that emacs-devel is a better place for > discussing important changes, I'm just saying it is not a panacea.) I agree. There are bo panaceas in this field. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)