From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86a5dg7iut.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7194"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 08:26:42 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tINIw-0001iu-6J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:26:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINI2-0001fI-BR; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINI0-0001en-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINI0-0000D2-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=XL6nKw/C4gQRPu9X1WJRCmY6GwTHAp+ZcdJGXohAgEw=; b=Y2xEA/fkIYb5 0IbYjjfysWpwc7xOHV9iSjQlaTYgIrEv+S7kXIpPIxEiSO81ZX7xbCr2j1siDL1+Ty9b5GUDhHuPm qXlK7jgJPVUNxQBaXFye88Loqq8vfp20EwSFknfEqkCxqaV0dAhmVOmVqMziLSKDXK9HzDLr0Oct3 tgq419M/okeocRi/XwUtlTNIkn2HoaOmR5L9r1tR/PsT9W8asSxITImJ8MYvwuZhW236dhbRs20TQ XtsBfkxrXO0F8AQ7Im0ZDhWc7106nJ478kiXO+v5tRdkhJeVo9srvhtm4qmeQar3DmUkApMB2uow4 nydv1INtZ/al4Ve4JPuByQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tINHz-0001RF-Qr; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:25:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86a5dg7iut.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:05:14 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325970 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Bug#73853 was not about language-design decisions, it was about > deprecating a macro. I can see two possible meanings for what "Bug#73853" refers to in that sentenbce: 1. The original bug report which started that thread in bug-gnu-emacs. 2. The discussion thread which started with that bug report. Could it be that (1) was about deprecating that macro, and (2) started off there by wandered into a discussion of choosing major modes for various programming languages? I don't know for a fact how that discussion went, but that history would fit with what has been said about it since. So I'll suppose tentatively that was what happened. While the discussion was about deprecating a macro, discussing it in a bu report ticket made sense. Once it changed to be about proposals for controlling major modes, someone should have moved it to emacs-devel. Idesally, whoever was ispired by that bug discussion to raise an idea for controlling major modes should have sent that message to emacs-devel and started a new threat. But everyone forgets sometimes. After one person hadn't remembered to do this, it wasn't too late. Someone else should have moved and renamed the thread. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)