From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32604"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 23 07:11:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjMO-0008Ii-M0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 07:11:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLx-0004JS-6x; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLv-0004Ie-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLv-0007uV-3k; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=6LuI0a1i00cz8BliiMMD9GTcb40M29PUbvRXSBn7hLQ=; b=RjmEVtfHg1Pc zrh7pWNjdZ2kf/A7aLcHM+fbqcwe5e2/CU1uewpUm8ysD/7XlM03ChcjOFLogw5vYXKyZJ29MCpmA j29g9ZEARyqbGLwi8Z9Pgg2AnEbbnDYgJdPuwNqDVVa8QSlVpcuaelUuXF9I77C/3ES2zT6d4htCe y7B/kaNCg2kmWmcW3kmB+0pa1A8FecrS6H9z9qQoSpX5NFWIlxJSyABDy6hxuwnrSlFETZ5G+yXxC Rb97sZr+ndZf9mpZCC5eN/zcOxXVQS+Q2FFwWdYIUO0hmU54TjVE1w+kwPBagtfUSwROZfNHWqkLX H8/yN/92HPgwnnaDzfa24w==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLu-0006be-Nz; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:28:58 -0600) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325603 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I have to agree with Eli. Although it would, in hindsight, certainly > have been better to discuss these particular changes in more detail in > advance, I too have complained that major changes were not being discussed in the way that they call for. I think this incident shows that we need to make a rule to ensure they get discused properly. Some ideas occur to me, which could form a part of this. Here's one possible approach that occurs to me. It's not the only approach that could be good. * A new feature must be brought up on emacs-devel with a clear description. * If anyone on the list says, "This feature calls for careful discussion," then maintainers must respond saying, "We will now have 14 days for discussion of this feature." * 14 later, a maintainer can post, "We have had 14 days of discussion for the feature XyZ. Here's how the plan stands now. Does anyone call for further discussion?" * If anyone on the list says, "This feature calls for further discussion," then maintainers must respond saying, "We will now have 7 days for further discussion of this feature." * 7 days later, the maintainers can install the feature. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)