From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32677"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 23 07:11:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjMO-0008If-In for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 07:11:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLm-0004Hj-P8; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLk-0004D4-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:32 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLj-0007mG-VL; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=/wDeQTdBzUhGGvSuYakKewX2hi3gDX//lpF/1goPQDE=; b=WcBccWVRL9Iw dykPI2+mBwR2R5MKI2cKOlzMAUAvwStjgplk9bvblsFCvcVd9wabRvmr4ile1/E+HLdwkNAYgD5Vb 0oMKkM6beg6cwbWRBfZbqoMWnvWvPTd6Hl5Ocwl/9hws+4JrLZ4vlbM5KSNkGarggioMs87b6/ItS tgUPErFHThRPbDBJrDpAJ0mYixOpLZKA6I2GLsYTiZ5cnZDT93Dbb9MVEyhMku2hWLr0skzT+Y0wS EORngVyE43WLL8olMQx/LkQHun0x2wAiJDSV6Om443THvc7Seo6IqjO/yoAWHdiXrEwJYFcVvj/dQ XEZKVdmfpHYgazY6BRPmbA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEjLj-0006Vp-As; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:10:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:13:18 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325604 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Names are important. They have power. To take somebody's/somthing's > name and misuse it is an exercise of aggression. Try using "Emacs" or > even "free software" to mean something different, and see just how > quickly you would hear back from Richard Stallman. Is this really the case? I am trying to figure out what concrete events those descriptions could refer to, and I can't be sure. Depending on the details of the practcie in quetsion, I might say that it causes a big problem. Or I might not. But if everyone involved is motivated by good will, I would not call it "aggression". That word asserts injustice and intent to be nasty. We may have hurt feelings but I don't think anyone intended to hurt. I'm sure the people now disagreeing here all want to make Emacs as good as can be, and that all are pursuing goals that are indirividually desirable, even if they conflict in practice. I can't tell exactly what the dispute is about, but I get the general idea that, due to new features, there are now two natural meanings for -*-c-*- in a file mode line: * Use one specific mode, C mode. * Use the user's stated premerence among a few possible modes for C. Is that it? If that is not entirely correct, please correct me. Also, has such a change affected any other language modes likewise? If it is something like that, I think we can find a compromise solution that does a pretty good job of giving users most of all the goals, if we try to be flecible while keeping the user goals in mind. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)