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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Default lexical-binding to t
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:46:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1t8tTi-00021a-Od@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yp1fro8pcd5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Andrea Corallo on Sun, 03 Nov 2024 10:26:30 -0500)

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  > > I believe by the time Emacs-31 will be released, such files will be
  > > uncommon, and it is easy to fix them (either by adjusting he code, or
  > > by slapping a `lexical-binding` cookie).

  > I support this, together with the idea of having a warning when loading
  > file without the cookie.  We can always remove the warning (and the
  > cookies) in the future when/if we feel it's time.

If the goal is to lead ysers to indicate this explicitly in each file,
it is enough to complain about files that lack a file local variable
specification for this variable.  It could do this whenever it visits
a file in Emacs Lisp mode.

If we want to increase the pressure to label old files explicitly,
we could go beyond a warning.  For instance, we could ask the user
whether. "Is this an old file thjt is supposed to use dynamic binding?"

If the user answers yes to that, Emacs could offer to modify the file,
adding a tag.

By contrast, to change the interpretation of files that don't specify
the variable is ineffective for the purpuse.  But it will waste a lot
of long-time users' time in figuring out what went wrong.

Eli wrote:

  > If we urge people to specify lexical-binding in their files, then what
  > is the point of making lexical-binding the default?

Perhaps there is no reason to change the default itself ;-).  Perhaps
what we _should_ want is to put an end, among somewhat-maintained
programs, to dependence on the old defaull.

The methods described above will do the job better and faster than
changing the default, and much more gently too.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-07  3:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-01 12:55 Default lexical-binding to t Stefan Monnier
2024-11-01 14:42 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-01 17:03 ` Karl Fogel
2024-11-02 10:48 ` Visuwesh
2024-11-02 12:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-02 13:21     ` Visuwesh
2024-11-02 16:24   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-02 20:42     ` Jim Porter
2024-11-02 21:38       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03  2:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03 13:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 14:34             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-04  8:35             ` Jean Louis
2024-11-04  8:43               ` tomas
2024-11-03  1:46       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03  2:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03  7:47         ` Jim Porter
2024-11-03 13:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03  6:44       ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-03 14:59         ` lexical-binding in paredit Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 18:32           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03 21:44             ` Taylor R Campbell
2024-11-04  1:54               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 15:26 ` Default lexical-binding to t Andrea Corallo
2024-11-07  3:46   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2024-11-07 23:00     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-08 15:53       ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 16:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 17:28           ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 17:37             ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-08 18:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 20:18               ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 20:57                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-11  5:13             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-04  5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-04  9:39   ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 13:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 17:06     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-04 18:24       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-06  4:44       ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07 23:07     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-04 12:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 20:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 12:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 12:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 13:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 16:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 17:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 17:42               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-06 20:48                 ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-06 22:50                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-07  0:46                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-07 21:03                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08  0:44                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-10  4:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07  6:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  8:07                       ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-07  8:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07 11:09                           ` tomas
2024-11-07 21:23                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-07 22:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-08  6:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 14:01                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08 15:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 19:07                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08 20:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07 22:10                     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-08 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07  2:55                 ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-06 17:54       ` Jim Porter
2024-11-06 19:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 20:23           ` John Yates
2024-11-08 18:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 19:53         ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2024-11-08 18:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07  3:46     ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07  7:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  3:46     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-11-07 22:28 Christopher Howard
2024-11-08  0:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08  6:29   ` tomas
2024-11-10  4:04     ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-08  7:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 12:11     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08 13:12       ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-08 13:24         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08 13:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08  7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii

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