From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Martin=20Edstr=C3=B6m?=" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reconsider defaults for use-package-vc-prefer-newest Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12264"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel" To: "meedstrom" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 15 19:39:55 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sptE2-00031n-Ix for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sptDH-0007Xj-Gi; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:39:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sptDF-0007XK-60 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailtransmit04.runbox.com ([2a0c:5a00:149::25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sptDD-0007pw-8e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:39:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailtransmit03.runbox ([10.9.9.163] helo=aibo.runbox.com) by mailtransmit04.runbox.com with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1sptD6-00BMK7-DO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:38:56 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=runbox.eu; s=selector1; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:CC:To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; bh=EdiPNrRpPvaPZ1SFOjedp0K8Mc7mIBI9szcg7MMTpwI=; b=Dd37FL3svOQ8YaluwRHcH8Equ6 p+7frQ1I5MRmOcKjXx30FOMH4DEaxUQQ0AAYlluTpHqE9MyLoRuITJc0/NdnnUtz0GyipeoSgGA7q aeQU/dhkZGWTU/pKpOuOQbTrT7ABL4bTXEkHsQ7ARfAVR967o2fOUvgkF2KQR1LDxGeBGmsw0Z9Sx zY//mT48SHXTDxymeh55Mq7L28CRqnxMDNCH2IR+7Wu0ZUarSp18lwAj1m5z2WzCMSgo4LxPlWfW9 3Fpc7H7CkqKRzrDNBq+P9i+NgKePDhaA3WwpcC+y8KopHHTG47EP5fnBNIsAceSi14qCe7gOPdjcC 0jyNGW2g==; Original-Received: from [10.9.9.127] (helo=rmmprod05.runbox) by mailtransmit03.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sptD6-0007Bw-1p; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:38:56 +0200 Original-Received: from mail by rmmprod05.runbox with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sptD6-0006mA-0i; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:38:56 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline Original-Received: from [Authenticated alias (1196375)] by runbox.com with http (RMM6); Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:38:55 GMT X-RMM-Aliasid: 1196375 X-Mailer: RMM6 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a0c:5a00:149::25; envelope-from=meedstrom@runbox.eu; helo=mailtransmit04.runbox.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323639 Archived-At: Now that we're on Emacs 30.0.91, I feel the need to call this out as a fair= ly release-critical bug. Perhaps I should have emailed bug-gnu-emacs, but n= ow that'd split the discussion over two places, so I'll keep it here. If this is the kind of setting we can flip in a patch release, then there's= no rush. Maybe someone can weigh in about that. Otherwise it would remain as a source of instability for many years, and co= nscientious devs would have to insert a check for Emacs 30 that reminds the= user that the package may be terribly outdated. At least one other developer agrees the current setting is "fragile" (https= ://github.com/melpa/melpa/pull/9133#issuecomment-2351653325).=