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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: as for Calc and the math library
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:38:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1sfivX-0007yr-0M@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DU2PR02MB1010910FA801C8AF7B41F973496802@DU2PR02MB10109.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> (message from arthur miller on Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:09:56 +0000)

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  > >No.  What we need is the declaration _by_the_library_ being loaded
  > >that it complies.  It is not an agreement between Emacs and the
  > >library, it's a _requirement_ on our part that only the library itself
  > >can fulfill.

  > I have seen your previous answers to others, and I do understand
  > the point you make, but I think the argument fails because a
  > module can be just a proxy to a non-free library. If I can put it
  > in other words, I wonder if it is a "false sense of security",
  > because it is a guarantee by the person who writes the C module,
  > not the 3rd party library they link to. Of course they are
  > violating the license if they link to a non-free library, but that
  > we are agreeing about we can't prevent.

You're right, and this is a possible problem, but it raises a real
copyleft compliance issue only in a specific kind of occasion: when
someone writes such an intermediary module that loads a nonfree
library, _and distributes that intermediary module_ for such use.

Just writing such an intermediary module and using it oneself does not
raise a copyleft compliance issue, because GPLv3 says one can make any
sort of modificatoin and use it privately -- even actually copying in
nonfree code.  Where the copyleft requirement comes into pkay is for
making a modified version and distributing it to others.

So it could be good to keep an eye on the modules that people are
releasing, to make sure they do not load in other nonfree code.
If they do, the FSF should tell their distributors to stop.

Given this situation, a spcial label as a flag for "this library is
free" might be useful, We just have to remember taht such a flag label
is not proof of anything.  Its presence is only a statement (which can
be false) of intent that the module be entirely GPL3-compatible free
code and that it link in only GPL3-compatible other modules.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-08-18 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-12  5:30 as for Calc and the math library arthur miller
2024-08-12 11:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-12 11:23   ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-12 11:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-12 12:11       ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-12 13:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-12 13:38           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-15  1:59             ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-15  3:06               ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-15  6:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 13:28                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-15 16:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  7:16           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-13 12:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13 13:10               ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-13 13:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13 13:48                   ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-13 21:43               ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-14  5:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14  8:45                   ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-14  9:56                     ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-14 10:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  5:39       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14  4:11         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14  6:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14  6:28             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14  6:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 14:00             ` Suhail Singh
2024-08-14 14:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 15:08                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-08-14 15:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 16:00                     ` Suhail Singh
2024-08-14 16:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 20:35                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  5:00                     ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-15  7:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 20:09                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-16  5:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-16  6:17                           ` we need *modularity* [last problem] (was: Re: as for Calc and the math library) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-16  9:35                             ` first-is (3 versions, Elisp hangup) (was: Re: we need *modularity* [last problem]) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-16  9:53                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-16 10:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-18 16:38                           ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2024-08-18 17:27                             ` as for Calc and the math library Christopher Dimech
2024-08-19 12:05                             ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-24  2:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-24  2:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-15  9:31                     ` Emacs ffi (was: Re: as for Calc and the math library) Andrea Corallo
2024-08-15  9:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 20:32                         ` Emacs ffi Andrea Corallo
     [not found]                           ` <trinity-a24567af-9dc5-4e16-960c-c42d9759f282-1723755762558@3c-app-mailcom-bs05>
2024-08-16 20:07                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-16 21:21                               ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-17  6:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-17  9:05                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-17 10:53                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-17 13:21                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-08-17 14:30                                       ` Joel Reicher
2024-08-17 17:18                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-18  4:44                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-19 12:38                                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-17 15:36                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-18  5:25                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-17 15:23                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-18 13:26                                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                 ` <87h6birmfy.fsf@>
2024-08-19 16:57                                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-19 17:22                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-17  2:21                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-14 14:35               ` as for Calc and the math library Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14 14:40                 ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-14 14:47                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14 14:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14  5:29     ` Madhu
2024-08-14  6:06       ` [ffi] " Madhu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-08-10 22:48 Emanuel Berg
2024-08-11  4:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 16:45   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-11 16:55     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-11 17:05     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-11 17:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 18:17       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-11 18:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 19:53           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-11 18:27       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-11 18:38         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-11 18:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 19:13           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-12  2:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 21:50           ` Christopher Dimech

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