From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 07:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sevj9b50.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <871q33rj7v.fsf@dataswamp.org> <86ed73qhly.fsf@gnu.org> <87frrjoryg.fsf_-_@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 06 13:16:56 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbIBT-00087k-81 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 13:16:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbIAx-0002aa-PR; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 07:16:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbIAm-0002Cg-GY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 07:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbIAl-0001c7-QJ; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 07:16:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=2KVDeZVxr5akV1EmY0K7o23do32itwDwF8nVxAF1x68=; b=P5P8a+eZFjt/ IeOeSJFT/l14eLA0Da4tXOayHB8QfmE+M1tGC90thvwfJo9u4XyQ7f65+sM7OKEOxmspEQ5e5aDoj 19CU1FR4Tz798VKDX+T3WvoLTXQbRUaBGquGKO4GQAxTbUEE/+Y/YWCL780zBH3kd3/13/Q4N4sHS geq7dX3zSLwO8Nu5dSgsoKUFZWyKnEhNtXxubTMHVepHSYBgekBN/Mq4jCPs3AaHbJMghoXcQA+WT as8EAOufJk89mwU1+0J/LHgTCX1vP/sShIcCosCpdyrj2VRBDr5wGM1VFsOptSrCqKqrXRDzRGZoT tdIXDgNhHWU2a/7Dj4WDoA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbIAl-0008QY-8n; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 07:16:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87frrjoryg.fsf_-_@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Mon, 05 Aug 2024 18:27:35 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322434 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Solution: MVC-ish separation of the interface, the > computation, and the presentation of the result. To solve > a problem, get the data into modern data structures with > modern access methods, apply known algorithms by the book > known specifically to help this problem rather than That is very abstract and does not propose any change concretely enough that we could consider it. I am guessing that "MVC" refers to some Microsoft editor. Please don't expect us to have seen it. Emacs is older than Windows. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)