From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should native compilation be enabled by default? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86sf19p0hw.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36178"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 08 03:30:26 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1riQ0A-0009CD-Hk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 03:30:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPzf-0000q9-Ty; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPze-0000pY-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPzd-0005Oh-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=8Yst+0KGE3BArrqGRI5cwtf8nVO2doW5psENreVvySo=; b=q7dFqExVNeTj 7m6bkfn54XtTNYDw7oUz259Y7jPkP/QkDlhZ61eVqD75RHb06xfph0WZjqvDZOIoPUP//bAqLq+y8 1WtmzTkf/drqIqVYxGNSM8jPxsDH21FxLea60l2A2BpxKwe+ujNGTDcNSCKgTbcoIFsZkquTqAjnH 4KvREG0UxjIG+o5/EBQGUMNbw4/WclDXIr5oly6zzbl1CTnR1rkbxUCjLhl2c4P8QsRsDFnU5DacU f2MVmoFqd44EDZS9VFs6qeqBfEHLsIA7q25t2ZsWYDuFFpt5EsBfGRDJ8GQYoUGamDm+I7K3ObHP/ OwYQAq94ov7C8S8bByWp3A==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPzb-0007P3-Ri; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Tue, 05 Mar 2024 04:57:13 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316884 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > On general principles we can see that native > > compilation is likely to go wrong because something has disappeared, > > or because of bugs in other programs that you wouldnt otherwise ever > > use. > > > > Native compilation is useful mainly for power users who want > > to run Lisp programs that normally are too slow. There is no sense > > directing most users into doing things gthe complex way instead > > of the simple way. > I don't see why native compilation should be more complex for users, > AFAIK is transparent. I meant complex in one specific sense. You're talking about a different sense, so we are talking past each other, > Anyway as a data point: AFAIK major distros decided since a while to > ship with native compilation as (I assume) they deemed it beneficial for > their users. I ssppose so. But the fact that they think so is not a convincing argument for us. If we poll the users, we would have a basis to conclude that those distros' choice is wise, or that it was hasty and unwise. It is better to make sure of this than to follow the herd. As I stated a few days ago, there may be a better alternative somewhere between "yes, always" and "no, never". -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)