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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Declaring Lisp function types
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 22:50:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1rfXRJ-0002mJ-3C@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZdtzHjbxCtX5m3jj@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 17:04:30 +0000)

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  > I worry that these declarations will become frequent, even pervasive,
  > and then effectively compulsory.  Then we won't have Lisp any more,
  > we'll have something more like C.

  > I think somebody said somewhere that the declarations will be
  > "voluntary", but things that start off voluntary have a nasty habit of
  > first becoming pervasive, then all but universal, and then compulsory.

That is my concern as well.  If we let native compilation
lure us down the path of changing the Emacs Lisp language
so as to make native-compiled code faster, there is almost
no limit to how much time we could put into it.  There are
always things we could do to keep optimizing some cases.

This will tend to draw effort away from other sorts of improements in
GNU Emacs.   We should decline to go down that path.

As long as we avoid that alteration of priorities, and use this
information about function argument types and likely value types only
as a kind of documentation for users, there is no reason not to
improve the way we store it and how users can access it.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-29  3:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-23 16:02 Declaring Lisp function types Andrea Corallo
2024-02-23 23:35 ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24  7:10   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-24  8:53     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24  9:08       ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24  9:24         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-24 15:13           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24 15:21             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24 15:24               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24  8:56     ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24 10:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-25  7:35         ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24  9:21   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-25 17:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-25 17:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-25 17:16   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-26 16:25   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-29  3:50   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2024-02-29  6:10     ` Adam Porter
2024-02-29  9:02     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-26  3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-26 16:38   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-26 16:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-26 17:44       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-26 16:52   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-26 18:10     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-02 21:19 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-03-03  9:52   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 14:52     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-03 17:31       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 18:13         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-15 16:49 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-15 18:19   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-15 18:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-16 13:39       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-16 14:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-16 14:56           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-16 15:43             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-03-16 15:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-16 15:54               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-03-18  8:55               ` Lele Gaifax
2024-03-16  0:01   ` Adam Porter
2024-03-18  9:25     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-26 10:13   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-26 10:28     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-03-26 12:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-26 16:46       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-29 17:48         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-29 17:55           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-04-29 18:42             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-30 14:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-30 18:29             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-01 20:57               ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-01 21:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-02  6:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 10:16                   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02  6:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 10:12                   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02 11:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 13:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-01 20:54             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02 10:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 15:18                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02 16:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-26 13:05     ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-26 13:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-26 14:28     ` Joost Kremers
2024-03-26 14:37       ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-03-16  7:46 Arthur Miller
2024-03-16 15:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-03-18  9:02 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-18  9:58   ` Arthur Miller

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