From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: Translation of the Org mode manual (was: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2024 22:51:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5D3D13BC-E621-4C40-88D7-3E5805F631AB@traductaire-libre.org> <83sf3fzvk4.fsf@gnu.org> <835y0azhvo.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmsqy14p.fsf@gnu.org> <3E7CF23D-CE62-4581-80D6-E6266CEE4DF5@traductaire-libre.org> <877ckp72ns.fsf@localhost> <871q9nrhtq.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11153"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 09 04:52:11 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rYHvu-0002i7-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:52:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rYHvU-0000nY-42; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 22:51:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rYHvS-0000mY-Sl; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 22:51:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rYHvR-0006Az-WD; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 22:51:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=j7AEGsTdz5jDiG2+c3crjSrdFR0MA4rmgJPZoXItogo=; b=OZMxXNxZtcPL acm/hZ0CfUdmUQklkFVBbjC8v8S7+p7i4XWr7we7nnqNL+AX1/AmR2uuBjoEgz+2z5hG5K5tgz3d3 3mdAlCzguGx3QGcZfR+ELaqCyVOiw6wQUvhoKM4BKSR/a4kOHJm3CYT2HFR5M/4zysP0s1HjzMNdp NzNlcbFw/dK4NuiiT4sqU7grRSmZnQVUpf0qQ2EhwvF8dMmn3ABwiGeY3IuDhVRQmRIplQQo7CP+q 3IrYf6p9MIrVhdAmfBNc+sFHL7ZQi8E4dH6wOHEwrXl0w2wtqP8CqcvxcDXzGj/yf/3sfb+Lsj9dq CGuVdi06GgrZEUzS68Nwyw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rYHvQ-0002D6-QZ; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 22:51:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871q9nrhtq.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 23:10:57 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316058 gmane.emacs.orgmode:159696 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > This is not true. We can generate a precise TeXinfo markup from Org > files even now using export snippets: @@texinfo:@@ I know that it is possible to convert Org format to Texinfo. I am raising a different issue. I think we are miscommunicating. The question is not whether Org can be translated to Texingo. The question is whether Org format can represent all the distinctions that Texinfo represents. Or, equivalently, is it possible to translate Texinfo text to Org format and then back to Texinfo format without losing any information? Last I looked, that was not possible, because of the issue I explained in my previous message. If things have improved and Org format is now capable of doing this, I will consider that good news. > Another question is that having native Org mode constructs for > manual-specific markup would make things less verbose and ad-hoc. To handle GNU manuals using Org format would not require a feature like that. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)