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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: free services (was: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation))
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:51:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1rOV3Y-00037z-K3@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ply9wzvi.fsf_-_@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 05:56:01 +0100)

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  > The service itself is not software, it is the result of the
  > work of software that runs on a server.

Yes, that's how computerized online services generally work.

  > If all that software, including the interface(s), are free,
  > I don't see why not the whole thing is free as well.

Because calling that server "free" would be misleading.  To avoid
misleading conclusions, we don't call servers "free" or "nonfree".  See
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html.

We call a program "free" if users have control what the program does
for them -- so if you install a copy on your computer, you have
control over what your copy will do.  If you don't like what it does,
you can change it.

If John's server runs that very same free program, John can change his
copy.  You can change your copy, too, if you have one.  But you cannot
change the copy in John's server. You have no control over what that
server does.

If "all the programs" that implement the service are free, you could
install the same programs on your own server.  But you may not be anle
to get the local changes made on that server.  Also, it may have
configurations, scripts, and surely some data.

But even if it is possible to set up a similar service, it will be a
lot of work and take a lot of time.

The conclusion is that no server is ever "free" in the sense that free
programs are free.



-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-13  3:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-27 21:14 Where to contribute manual translations ? Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28  7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 11:41   ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28 13:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 14:01       ` Po Lu
2023-12-28 15:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  0:42           ` Po Lu
2023-12-29  6:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 15:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 17:04           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 19:43               ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29  2:05               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29  6:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  9:02                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29 10:18                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29 11:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 12:42                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-30  3:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02  3:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-02  3:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 12:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30  3:22         ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01  0:27             ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01  7:57               ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 12:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 12:56                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 16:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:11                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:35                         ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:16                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:51                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:38                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 13:30                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-03 13:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 23:14                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  6:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:58                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  7:59                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  8:26                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  9:10                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 10:04                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 12:53                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:35                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-06  5:40                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:38                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 11:52                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:18                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:26                                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:36                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-04  7:18                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:04                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  1:17                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-09  2:49                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-09  3:08                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-10  4:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-10  4:56                                                             ` free services (was: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Emanuel Berg
2024-01-13  3:51                                                               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2024-01-11 21:50                                                           ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-05  7:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 11:34                                             ` Translation of the Org mode manual (was: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-04 12:19                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-02-07  3:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-07 23:10                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-09  3:51                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-05  4:23                                             ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Richard Stallman
2024-01-02 13:25                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:27                           ` Translation of manuals Po Lu
2024-01-03  4:50                             ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:28                               ` Po Lu
2024-01-04  4:46                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  6:13                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:35                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  8:20                                       ` Infrastructure proposal (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 13:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 14:07                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 14:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:36                                   ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Po Lu
2024-01-05  0:34                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  2:29                                       ` Po Lu
2024-01-07  6:56                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-07  7:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05  2:36                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  7:11                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-05 12:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 15:20                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 15:53                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 16:10                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 16:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  4:40                                               ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  9:37                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 11:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 12:25                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:49                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:04                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 14:16                                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:41                                                             ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:31                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  5:38                                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  7:32                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:33                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 12:00                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 19:27                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-10 20:52                                                     ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11  6:09                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 12:48                                                         ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 13:04                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:42                                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-11 19:14                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 19:57                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:49                                                         ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 15:08                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 15:56                                                             ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 16:09                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:22                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 19:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 19:46                                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 20:03                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 20:37                                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 21:58                                                                           ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-12  8:28                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:33                                                           ` Info download service Gavin Smith
2024-01-12 14:42                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-12 15:08                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-13 20:54                                                               ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-15  3:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-15 10:35                                                                   ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-18  3:35                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-19 12:21                                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 11:57                                                   ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:06                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-07  6:44                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 20:02                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:37                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:18                                                   ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-22  8:48                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-22 21:40                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 19:03                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 19:24                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:16                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:41                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 21:17                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  6:31                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12  0:28                                               ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12  8:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 12:08                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12 12:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 17:27                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2024-02-17 14:49                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  4:28                                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 23:06                     ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-01 23:14                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  0:32                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  1:13                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  3:14                             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  3:46                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 15:40                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 16:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 18:54                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 19:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:34                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 11:24               ` Where to contribute manual translations ? Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 21:34                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 15:18             ` Richard Stallman

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