From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cond* Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87frzuae9n.fsf@posteo.net> <871qbatqc8.fsf@posteo.net> <87wmsz7lzn.fsf@posteo.net> <87edf1m7lq.fsf@localhost> <87cyui76l9.fsf@localhost> <871qauy1io.fsf@localhost> <87v881pch9.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 13 04:51:35 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV3W-0001JA-RR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 04:51:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV2t-0000x4-17; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV2o-0000wq-Iu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV2n-00051H-4R; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=1fa36DyJmIROac3wZWRlrk7L5dlCpzFg5hKwD1/yCDY=; b=KP/4HAbym0Wl 4Q5O+lNeqK9um3tNXrJg96fpWZxhJ9gqdGMWTCfZjqvzPBpKy+SQNxmfMPj0bSNP9nVYLnESalJ99 mWv45rb2X1k8rcxTAHbu+iT9DuV+SisRvxiOSbBd+AeLOp2JFe2HKHHHbp8H4QlCtInNT2Mrkwy36 Bj4oB6oC0LszyluEHGEgY6blXIdacbOnS9VzSr7RDfTR9aLTfKQvlsH25uibfWfykx08aq3zHobdn ZiGp4tKxmC5VvM2OUxl8s9Ry/FUI8Pw8tRYdE/s2cKFbyKq47QCksw4MOpIarN84E/eYHdYeUTfSE fhOOcnWc13dkRQwzrJZtQw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV2k-0002Yv-KP; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87v881pch9.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:03:14 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314917 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] (symbolp x) is simpler and more natural than the pcase equivalent, which I believe would be (and (pred symbolp) x). People seem to have accepted the latter, without criticizing it as unnatural. I think they will accept (symbolp x) also. I think that people will get used to this once they start actually using cond*. To require use of the more complex `constrain' form even for the common simple cases would make cond* less convenient for real. I don't think it would be wise to create a real drawback to eliminate a mere perception of a drawback. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)