From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:24:30 -0500 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <87o7dv9pax.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Tue, 09 Jan 2024 04:08:22 +0100)
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> Maybe we can instead have a positive model that defines
> a FOSS service?
We would not call it "FOSS" -- we never use that term. See
https://gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.html. We say "free
software" instead of "FOSS", when talking about software.
That name issue is superficial, not hard to fix. But I don't see how
it makes sense to describe a service as a kind of software. Those are
two different categories, and they raise different issuss. See
https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html.
The deeper problem here is that defining what it means for services
that to users ethically is the same problem as defining what it
means for services to treat users unethically. To figure out what
the moral rules should be for services is a hard problem.
We made a start on this around 20 years ago, producing the Franklin
Street Statement. But that was only a start.
--
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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2023-12-27 21:14 Where to contribute manual translations ? Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 11:41 ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 14:01 ` Po Lu
2023-12-28 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 0:42 ` Po Lu
2023-12-29 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 15:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 17:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 19:43 ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29 2:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 9:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29 10:18 ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 12:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-30 3:20 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-02 3:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 0:27 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 7:57 ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 12:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 12:56 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:11 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:35 ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:16 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 4:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 13:30 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-03 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 23:14 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 6:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 6:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04 7:59 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 9:10 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 10:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 12:53 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-06 5:40 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 11:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:18 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:26 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 4:36 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-04 7:18 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 0:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05 1:17 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08 6:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08 6:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-09 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-09 3:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-10 4:24 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2024-01-10 4:56 ` free services (was: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Emanuel Berg
2024-01-13 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-11 21:50 ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-05 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 11:34 ` Translation of the Org mode manual (was: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-04 12:19 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-02-07 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-07 23:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-09 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-05 4:23 ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Richard Stallman
2024-01-02 13:25 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:27 ` Translation of manuals Po Lu
2024-01-03 4:50 ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:28 ` Po Lu
2024-01-04 4:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04 6:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 0:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05 8:20 ` Infrastructure proposal (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 14:07 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 6:36 ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Po Lu
2024-01-05 0:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05 2:29 ` Po Lu
2024-01-07 6:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-07 7:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 2:36 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 7:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-05 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 15:20 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 16:10 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 4:40 ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 8:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 9:37 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 12:25 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:49 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 14:16 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:41 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:31 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07 5:38 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07 7:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:33 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 12:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 19:27 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-10 20:52 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 12:48 ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:42 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-11 19:14 ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 19:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:49 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 15:56 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:22 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 19:46 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 20:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 20:37 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 21:58 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-12 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:33 ` Info download service Gavin Smith
2024-01-12 14:42 ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-12 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-13 20:54 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-15 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-15 10:35 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-18 3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-19 12:21 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 11:57 ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-07 6:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 20:02 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:18 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-22 8:48 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-22 21:40 ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 19:03 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 19:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:16 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 21:17 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 0:28 ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 12:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12 12:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 17:27 ` Gregory Heytings
2024-02-17 14:49 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 23:06 ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-01 23:14 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 0:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02 1:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 3:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02 3:46 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 15:40 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 18:54 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 19:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:34 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 11:24 ` Where to contribute manual translations ? Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 21:34 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 15:18 ` Richard Stallman
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