From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2024 23:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <835y0azhvo.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmsqy14p.fsf@gnu.org> <3E7CF23D-CE62-4581-80D6-E6266CEE4DF5@traductaire-libre.org> <83edexy5cy.fsf@gnu.org> <838r55y05r.fsf@gnu.org> <62B42DE8-CFDC-4D6E-A74C-28D7E4B063B1@traductaire-libre.org> <837ckpxvmz.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36682"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 06 05:36:29 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rLyQ9-0009KI-Ba for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2024 05:36:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rLyQ4-0000Cb-Ty; Fri, 05 Jan 2024 23:36:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rLyQ2-0000BT-Rm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2024 23:36:22 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rLyQ2-0005ry-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2024 23:36:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=9uTW9ZGnxkjwSqae5B73DIGBaTcptrcuocr4mHc8G4c=; b=NgO7+3E4Ctob b/Ds9x2R+K7Gr5PGx58x3/FTIfhfFPfDTh/GhvGW2lpRX4LTC6U1vo0GcV3d+478gn+B4IEmrEd7R xb25i9ZWruwCC3eXu1/4BLZQbd1XHZrnyFkDt5jyt9nbZGtWMSzlTE76tQcBCHXDBxU0QyQFOX5J7 ehMbkNC/pIvouygPz1nesGKq+kQVcCxPGmIwWQQkGHgfP+9NENCvPdsb5iSqVQLhaedZwDqcbyQHT 6sAtd5uOXn6fmtSiZUFgeNWxMO/7Tsc3TTfSQ92pAqCfjFOO8c+LY0li5H5eR1CJBBdpP+qsf5X4t JrhmaKjZ90SbsDNNEAh7QQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rLyQ2-0003qT-3p; Fri, 05 Jan 2024 23:36:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <837ckpxvmz.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 04 Jan 2024 12:04:04 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314588 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The stuff PO adds, before and after the text, is clutter that gets in > the way of reading. I feel the same -- but the www.gnu.org teams use PO in a way that avoids this drawback. The files we normally edit, the HTML files that appear on the web site, do not have any PO material. Translators maintain PO versions of those files, which they alone use. That way, they can take advantage of PO to aid their work while not interfering with non-translators writing the English text. Maybe the translators of manuals could so something like this too. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)