From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: SachaC-news Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2024 22:19:29 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20544"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cnngimenez@disroot.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 02 04:19:56 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rKVJr-00053Q-0W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 04:19:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKVJT-0007p6-1x; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 22:19:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKVJR-0007ox-QE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 22:19:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKVJR-00025D-EK; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 22:19:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=bsuuwBf3XPTtqjubOJwPcFKcLk3eqafJKS7QcC6E+RU=; b=Ei0zrg1VClQ5 pjR9R8MsA2ozuG2/lIG+UFQtX8OJMWz4eg81KaL8wl9G7rLpk/JfyhCPpWghWl/0QoNb+OwMOVFnq iE1Q1orUR2U4/BHHvdkEXwTHEl9kbgg8kmxUWVHWtOH0szIXZRDgYq8uPbbiEhCkobS9jGew5xS0y U413u4V0mfbdbO/rTObKQuhyl0rGivtNmjQmAAE7+DVFp6KfjOEdwAm/gLi9nU9Ng0iSoj2cyPMOq MyqIT+w5aL+VjOlbjM2UUtzjYlm8VnKT1wMZ2HX3SzL0pTXjGLwSp/PenBgVxy7NJ2BB0WocDWMGS Dj3r4CaoQCHptoyzciw2RQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rKVJR-0008Jy-4x; Mon, 01 Jan 2024 22:19:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Adam Porter on Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:13:24 -0600) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314436 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Indeed, Org's own web site uses the > slogan, "Your life in plain text." The presence of that statement in a web site means someone said so. To what extent it is true is another question. It might be entirely true, or partly true, or an exaggeration. It could appear true if you stretch the meaning somewhat. > What is "plain text"? Is the following block "plain text"? > To-do list: > - Walk dog > - Feed cat > - Reply to email I would call that an example of plain text with intuitive informal markup. You've stated it is also an example of Org format. Ok. But Org format is not the same thing as plain text with intuitive informal markup. They overlap, but they are not the same. In intuitive informal markup, you can represent a bulleted list in many ways. Using a single hypheh for the bullet is not the only way. It could be just space, "--", "---", "*", "#", ".", and other things. (What I normally use is askerisk.) In Org format, I suppose those have different meanings and are not equivalent. Does Org treat all of them as bulleted lists? I don't use Org mode, so I don't know. Can someone confirm? ISTR that, when I read the Org documentation, I saw constructs that were not so intuitive. Perhaps you are citing the subset that is most intuitive, and other constructs are less so -- but I am not sure. The difference between Org format and intuitive informal markup goes the other way, too. You can't write intuitive informal markup and assune the result will be valid Org format and mean the same thing. There is room in Emacs for Org format to be used. There is also room for intuitive informal markup. There should also be room for another markup format which would have specified definitions (as Org does) but a lot more constructs, so that it can represent whatever Texinfo can. Therefore, other Emacs fearures should not assume that text is written in Org mode, unless the user asks for that. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)